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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by bb88 on Saturday December 29, 2018 @12:12AM (#18781989)
> In London some bike lanes have slightly increased travel times by car but cycling has increased more than 50%.

50% of anything near zero is still darn close to zero. But at the same token, a 5 minute increase for 1000 people is a loss of 5000 minutes.

> The reason people in cars don't notice bike traffic is because a bike is small and unobtrusive and silent.

False. A single bike sticks out like a sore thumb in traffic -- even if there's a bike lane. In this case, I was so pissed off at the increase of my commute I started to count bikes in the bike lane, and I saw exactly zero.

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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by tinus_hn on Saturday December 29, 2018 @08:22AM (#18783443)
The paper has the number of bikers. But I’m sure your statistically representative research of ‘watching for bikers while driving once’ is much more worthwhile.
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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by bb88 on Saturday December 29, 2018 @05:37PM (#18786110)
My apologies. It was 0 over the course of 30 days of commuting. Exactly 0.
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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by ubercow13 on Saturday December 29, 2018 @07:20AM (#18783290)
Have you considered using the bike lane yourself?
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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by dovvdkc on Saturday December 29, 2018 @11:32AM (#18784311)
To start off that’s ableist. And reeks of privilege (can he afford to live a biking distance to work?)

But that doesn’t matter - someone unilaterally changes something and everyone else is supposed to get with the program or find a hole to die in.

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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by ubercow13 on Monday December 31, 2018 @04:21AM (#18793780)
I don't think its ableist, I wasn't suggesting that there shouldn't be a road for cars, or that they should even bike themselves. I was just wondering if they had considered why they didn't want to use it as that might shed light on why it wasn't a successful bike lane.
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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by JAlexoid on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @12:11PM (#18807792)
Like the motorists changed laws concerning pedestrian traffic and road laws?
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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by bb88 on Saturday December 29, 2018 @05:42PM (#18786130)
Yes, but I have a life long history of listening to horror stories of people on bikes getting hit by cars.

These days, I fly back and forth to work, so it makes little sense to use a bike.

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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by dirkgently on Saturday December 29, 2018 @10:58AM (#18784141)
> so pissed off

> single bike sticks out like a sore thumb

Now it totally makes sense.

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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by dovvdkc on Saturday December 29, 2018 @11:34AM (#18784320)
Well when you have to dodge an unfit person going up a hill you notice.

I’m all for bike lanes. And bicycle licenses. Can’t go up the 80 percentile hill in your town at 20 mph? You fail.

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