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Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by komali2 on Friday December 28, 2018 @03:19PM (#18779147)
I'm visiting my hometown of Houston after now having lived in SF for just under 3 years, and my partner and mine most common debate thread as we sit in Houston traffic is - what did Houston do differently, to get these uniquely Houston traffic problems? Is it "Houston's" fault, or the fact that it has an extra 2 million people? Does it actually have 2 million more people, or did it just octopus across the entire region to a ridiculous point and thus inflate its population numbers (really, does Clear Lake count as "Houston?" parts are nearly 20 miles away, and can take an hour or even two to get to on a straight shot freeway).

Here's some questions we argue:

1. Where's the money coming from? We see massive Houston mega-projects, huge new freeways built on top of massive existent ones. Yet there's no gas tax, no state income tax, and I don't remember there even being a city income tax (that was several years ago that I worked here though). So who's paying for the new freeways?

2. Why do cars clump at exits? Why do Houstonians sometimes spend 15+minutes at a total standstill waiting to exit? Is it because of line cutters (culture of driving)? Is it because of people reacting violently to line cutters (culture of driving)? Is it because of poor design? Is it as the Houston Chronicle has argued and due to feeder roads, a feature that doesn't exist outside of Houston/Dallas (and thus is a strong contender)? Is it simply because the population is massive and driving is the only viable option to get around, and thus the roads are always clogged? Is it actually an issue in San Francisco, and we simply don't notice because we drive motorcycles (unlikely, but I will pay extra attention when we return)?

3. Why the fuck did i-45, in the middle of a 50 year construction project, suddenly swap out freeway-going-under-bridge design in the Clear Lake area for freeway-is-a-bridge design? Now it's terrifying to drive the speed limit over those bridges because you might smash at 65mph into a half-mile exit-clump line.

Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by mklingen on Friday December 28, 2018 @04:03PM (#18779389)
> Where's the money coming from?

The federal highway program. Highways are heavily, heavily subsidized by state and federal dollars. That's why their true cost isn't born on drivers, and it's something that greatly exacerbates the problem of urban planning the U.S that leads to vast sprawl, urban decay, hell for walkers/bikers and environmental degredation. If all highways were toll roads, most would cease to exist and our cities would become denser, doubly so if all those highway dollars were diverted to public transit.

Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by kodablah on Friday December 28, 2018 @05:01PM (#18779805)
> Highways are heavily, heavily subsidized by state and federal dollars. That's why their true cost isn't born on drivers

These aren't contradictory if you look where most of those state and federal dollars come from (i.e. fuel taxes, which is borne by the driver). Mass transit more fits the description of transportation subsidized by non-users.

Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by kodablah on Friday December 28, 2018 @03:59PM (#18779357)
> what did Houston do differently, to get these uniquely Houston traffic problems?

Not sure they are uniquely Houston, and definitely not their explicit fault, but I'd say the issue is (obviously) large concentrations of people going to the same area. The DFW metroplex has some traffic issues like any metros, but not to the same extent as e.g. Houston despite being a larger metro (but smaller city). And that's the point. Were Houston's employers to fan out even more than they already do, you might see the suburb-to-suburb commutes that many other sprawls enjoy. Maybe there are plenty of people that live in Katy and work in the Woodlands or vice-versa. Not having to ever even enter the city on a regular basis is very welcoming to those who hate traffic.

Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by JaRail on Friday December 28, 2018 @03:30PM (#18779197)
On the questions of funding, in the US, interstates are federally funded while local roads are state/city-funded. That's why the interstate system has been so successful compared to highway systems that are more locally-funded, eg Canada.
Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by kodablah on Friday December 28, 2018 @04:58PM (#18779784)
> interstates are federally funded while local roads are state/city-funded

This is not completely true. In some cases interstates are 80/20 federal/state funded, in others its 50/50. Not sure of any states where it is 100% federal funding of interstates.

Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by sct202 on Friday December 28, 2018 @10:44PM (#18781674)
Houston and Dallas have pretty extensive toll highways, so a lot of the funding comes from there on top of all the normal taxes.
Re:Fundamental rule of traffic: building new roads makes peo... by Spooky23 on Friday December 28, 2018 @03:31PM (#18779200)
People from places like New York and California export tax money to red states right now for these projects.