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Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by TomMarius on Thursday December 27, 2018 @11:13AM (#18770312)
So why even argue that? Why not just say "I like whale meat"? I hate this "it's a tradition" bullshit. Just say it, stop hiding behind traditions.
Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by coldtea on Thursday December 27, 2018 @11:32AM (#18770464)
Because they don't just like it like animals like stuff.

They like it as meat, but they also like the parts of their culture associated with it.

The same way an American would like the turkey AND the thanksgiving dinner, and would like to continue having both, and not just because of turkey meat, but as a combo.

Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by hjek on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:07PM (#18770756)
So would slavery similarly be more justifiable if it was also done not only because slave owners liked it but because it was part of American culture?
Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by coldtea on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:24PM (#18770891)
Yes. That's also part of how it was justified back in the day. Or do you think that those practicing it thought it wasn't justified as they were doing it?

The fact that people have now changed their minds on that particular matter doesn't mean that anything people haven't changed their minds but consider tradition is equally wrong.

Or that there's some law-of-nature-style "right and wrong" aside what a culture deems as such. For all our modern posturing, if we were merely born 200 years ago in the US, heck, not even the South, we would statistically be far more likely to be in favor than against the practice (and still be considered perfectly "modern" for those times).

Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by hjek on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:08PM (#18771212)
> The fact that people have now changed their minds on that particular matter doesn't mean that anything people haven't changed their minds but consider tradition is equally wrong.

No, but it does mean that tradition can be an obstacle for considering the rightness of an action.

> Or that there's some law-of-nature-style "right and wrong" aside what a culture deems as such.

Agreed. But if we assume some basic principles (e.g. like preventable pain and suffering should be avoided or human existence is good or whatever), then we can question whether something is right according to those principles.

Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by GolDDranks on Thursday December 27, 2018 @11:19AM (#18770361)
Because it _is_ a tradition. They don't actually eat a whole lot of whale meat like they used to do. There's more supply for whale meat than there is demand.

The reason the whaling industry still exists is because it receives government support for being a "protected tradition".

Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by GolDDranks on Thursday December 27, 2018 @11:22AM (#18770401)
Also, that is the real tragedy, and I hate the fact that the journalists often miss it: criticising people for killing sensing, feeling animals is hypocritical because we do the same thing for cattle, pigs, sheep and chicken. (Argument for whales being rare species are nonsensical because the minke whales that are being hunted aren't that rare.) What's horrible is killing sensing, feeling animals for no good reason.
Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by ngcc_hk on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:18PM (#18771266)
To repeat one is raising them to be eaten. The other not. We do not eat elephant ...

Still fishing is a general hard field.

Re:Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission by lb1lf on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:01PM (#18771618)
In my experience, the tradition argument doesn’t carry too much weight in Norway - local sentiment (I live within spitting distance of three whaling vessels’ home port) is more that whale meat is tasty (and, historically, much more accessible than other meats, as dairy farming is somewhat of an extreme sport on these small islands we call home) and also, whaling is more profitable than most other forms of marine harvesting, never (to the best of my knowledge) having received subsidies &c - it is commercially viable.