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Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by tomohawk on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:36AM (#18769635)
If you are a patient in this situation, there are advocates who can help you. One thing to try is to ask the billing department if they will "accept assignment". What that means is that instead of billing you their fake rate, they would instead bill you as if you were an insurer.

IMO, it is incredibly unethical and dishonest for these medical corporations to charge different fees depending on who you are. Prices should be transparent, and should be the same for everyone.

Some may argue that an organization representing a large pool of people should be able to achieve economy of scale and a better price. This seems false to me, as in reality there is only one pool of people and care provider provide care to that one pool. Its time to kick the middlemen out.

Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by mirimir on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:16AM (#18769874)
I've done that. Except I didn't know the words "accept assignment". I basically just said that I'd pay whatever they'd charge if I had insurance. So they could either accept that, or let it go to collection. And if they let it go to collection, I argued, they'd probably get less than the insurance price that I'd pay them.

And I got an adjusted bill.

Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by thatoneuser on Thursday December 27, 2018 @08:10PM (#18774095)
God this a thousand times. How in the /fuck/ have we allowed our medical system to come to this?

I get the negotiation side of things. I get that the leverage insurance companies have is the culprit. But at the end of the day, hospitals just upcharge so they have the upper hand in negotiation. There’s no reason that individuals who choose not to go the insurance route are artificially charge X times what insurance companies are. There’s no excuse.

Charge them the cost of the procedures with whatever markup is reasonable for the hospital to stay in business. It shouldn’t be any other way.

Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by cheez on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:51AM (#18769709)
When you remove the middlemen, what will you replace them with?
Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by lallysingh on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:02AM (#18769770)
Tiny bits of software.
Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by cheez on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:04AM (#18769783)
What's the purpose of the software?
Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by RhodesianHunter on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:21AM (#18769903)
Replacing the middle men
Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by _asummers on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:39AM (#18770045)
Middle man out algorithms
Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by cheez on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:20PM (#18771777)
Is the software written by people who would not profit from the software?
Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by 50656E6973 on Thursday December 27, 2018 @03:02PM (#18772130)
Could be an open standard
Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by cheez on Thursday December 27, 2018 @07:22PM (#18773870)
This is quickly degenerating into... an xkcd comic
Re:Hospital prices are about to go public in the U.S. by Nasrudith on Friday December 28, 2018 @07:02AM (#18776286)
Middlemen are not indispensable - they need to justify their existence not others to justify their absence. The whole point of cutting out the middlemen is to force them to go from a parasitic role to offer some sort of actual utility for their price.

If the middlemen have something of value to offer they have little to fear - just someone to buy gasoline by the tanker for instance keeps gas station middle-men safe because they provide both a workable connection between logistics of the very large production and consumer scale amounts - in addition to the distribution.