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Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by toufiqbarhamov on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @08:01PM (#18766318)
It’s interesting, and weird when you consider that the people who seem to be railing against this supposed censorship share significant overlap in the Venn diagram of people who complain about a growing sense of entitlement among others. Ironically at some point these same people decided that they deserve to be published wherever they want, and anything else is censorship. Presumably these are people who felt even harder done by when newspapers, magazines, and book publishers refused to give them full print runs too.

Honestly though, I have another theory. There is no sense of entitlement or hypocrisy, no confusion about what is or isn’t censorship. What we’re seeing is almost purely calculated, and just about trying to get a bigger audience. Twenty years ago if you wanted to publish your ideas about the queen of England being a lizard, you had to either self-publish, rant to a crowd, print fliers, or get lucky. Not that long ago blogs and forums were a huge improvement for those people, and it’s still very effective, but less effective than Facebook or Twitter or YouTube.

So do they really think that having the ability to self publish to the planet through blogs and modern self-publishing doesn’t count as speech? Or... do they just want more, and realize that position of “I want more” is less appealing than “I fight censorship!” It’s not that they don’t get it, it’s that it’s inconvenient to admit it?

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by bunderbunder on Thursday December 27, 2018 @08:17AM (#18769241)
I've come to believe that one of the most under-recognized forces in politics is that people tend to fear that that others will treat them the way they would treat others.
Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by chillacy on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:20PM (#18767273)
Depressingly so much of politics is about coalitions and power instead of principles. What does abortion have to do with fiscal policy and ethnicity? And how come most people line up so perfectly in their beliefs with their peers?
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Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by dang on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:22PM (#18771790)
This breaks the site guidelines and is unacceptable. If you can't post thoughtfully and respectfully, regardless of how wrong someone else may be, please don't post here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re... by PavlovsCat on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:46PM (#18771489)
You don't want to address actual people so you talk about a Venn diagramm you made up, and you have several theories, so I guess not one of them is what you actually think. Prove me wrong. You can't have two opinions, so is either one of those "theories" your opinion, or is neither? You see, I'm not being snarky when I'm being short, I'm giving the reader the benefit of the doubt. I can expand and substantiate everything I hint at, or I wouldn't hint at it.

And also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word and then notice how HN is positively gushing with super-couched "arguments", in any thread. "I'm not entirely sure it would be impossible to theorize that"... it's like the only subjects many people are comfortable with talking about with any level of attention or intellectuality are those that are purely technical, i.e. where person doesn't need to have position.

With anything that can't be decided by reading specs or benchmarks, wishy-washy stuff comes out, and doesn't get defended either. It just keeps getting posted, and calling it out may get downvoted -- as if showing something to mean nothing is worse than writing something that means nothing [0] -- but no actual defense, at most one half-assed attempt and when that is refuted, no conceding of a point either.. rinse, repeat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ2AH7u_9Xo&t=1m10s

> the ways in which we were turning politics into economics, and allowing our faculty of reason to be denigrated into a faculty of calculation

... which might lead a person to think that being in the majority makes them right, or that an imaginary Venn diagram describes all sorts of real people, or that truth is decided by votes, or that the wisdom with which someone votes makes a quantum leap when they reach 500 karma. Among other things.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18759743