Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re...
by humanrebar on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:16PM
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> ...you can change your mind and ideas but can't change your race
So we can ban people for/against atheism because it's an idea one could theoretically change their minds on?
Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re...
by voidpointercast on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @07:49PM
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I mean you could make the legitimate argument that Atheism is a religion in itself. That said, your example is lacking and ill-defined in legalese.
Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re...
by Intermernet on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @08:51PM
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You can therefore make the argument that not believing in moon goats is a religion, and therefore everyone follows an almost infinite number of religions through their acts of disbelief.
Atheism is literally the opposite of religion.
Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re...
by Consultant32452 on Thursday December 27, 2018 @03:49AM
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In the specific case in question the naughty language occurred off platform. So the "racist" in this analogy did keep their mouth quiet in your pub. But you still kicked them out.
Did you know that the incident in question is about this Sargon fellow attacking white nationalists? So to further kill the analogy, you kicked a fellow out of your pub for saying mean things things against racism while at another pub.
Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re...
by creaghpatr on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:08PM
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So if being black was a choice you would be okay with businesses discriminating against black people unless they chose to be a different race?
Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re...
by krapp on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:48PM
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In this hypothetical universe, is it as easy to change one's race as it is to change one's clothes? If so, it seems no different than "no shirt, no shoes, no service."
But then a world in which race was a choice would be so different from our own that one would wonder whether racial discrimination would even exist, or what "black" would even mean.
Re:Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Re...
by y2kenny on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:10AM
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If I understand the arguments some folks are putting out these days, race, like gender, is now a social construct and therefore entirely mutable: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/16/how-fluid-i...
I am not saying I agree or disagree with it, but perhaps things are not as hypothetical as you believe.
Although not the historical reason, a far simpler one is: you can change your mind and ideas but can't change your race.
In addition, it is that behavior and not that belief that gets the racist removed from the premises. You can choose to be quiet about your ideas where they are not welcome, but you can't choose to not be your race where it is not welcome.