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Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by blhack on Tuesday December 25, 2018 @11:57PM (#18760615)
Complete agreement from me here. I refuse to buy a phone without a headphone jack. It's such a simple thing, but it represents such a middle finger to consumers that it's enough for me to say no.

My iPhone 6s is fine. An older pixel will be fine too as soon as I figure out how to ditch iMessage.

This actually feels a lot like how Facebook seems to intentionally cripple their mobile site to try and get me to install their app so they can have more of my info. It's inconveniencing me very deliberately to try and hold my convenience hostage.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by sys_64738 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:00AM (#18760631)
I'm sticking with the 6S myself due to lack of headphone jack. I estimate I'll keep the 6S another 4-5 years as there's longevity in these devices I feel. Not sure what I'd do at that point because I think the iPhone in general is great.
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by blhack on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:01AM (#18760632)
Friendly reminder to go get your battery replaced before the end of the year!
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by imron on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @02:05AM (#18761055)
I had a 1st gen iPhone for 5 years, and currently have a 4s that I've been using for 5-6 years (I only replace my phones when my current one stops working).

There's longevity in the devices, but not as much longevity in the software. Each update gets slower than the last and then you stop getting updates at all.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by dvfjsdhgfv on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @07:56AM (#18761914)
> It's such a simple thing, but it represents such a middle finger to consumers that it's enough for me to say no.

My refusal to buy a phone crippled in this way is also a middle finger to them. The only way to influence their decision is to vote with our valet. It might be easy for them to ignore the "vocal minority", sales results might deliver a stronger result.

Although, frankly, the probability of Apple admitting to making a mistake are sub-zero. Nevertheless, it may stop them from making a similar "courageously" stupid mistake in the future.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by patagonia on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @03:37AM (#18761282)
It’s not a little thing. The first iPhone was introduced as a “widescreen iPod with touch controls” and then as a phone, in S.J.’s original keynote.

So unless I missed something, that something being the music industry deciding that headphone jacks need to be replaced with lightening / usb-c ports, then Apple (and the industry follows) is unilaterally deciding to demote the music component of the iPhone.

That’s not a little thing and I don’t feel that explaining why it is not a little thing is necessary.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by harshalizee on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:27PM (#18763677)
Yup, my 6s is going to stay around a lot longer than I thought. I've preemptively lined up possible phones for the future. LG v30 and maybe the newest flagship Samsung (if they don't pull a bait and switch). No Android manufacturers have any business ditching the jack when they don't have a seamless integration with Bluetooth devices. Even Apple's pricey Airpods are just barely there and they still have their issues with connection and battery life.
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by ryanmercer on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:48AM (#18761724)
>An older pixel will be fine too as soon as I figure out how to ditch iMessage.

If you just want to be able to send sms/mms from your browser stuff like Pushbullet works fine if you're willing to pay the monthly fee. It's what I settled with when I left iOS when I switched to Fi 3 years ago (almost to the day).

I also use it when I see a site on my phone that I'd rather read on a monitor and just push it to open up at home so it is sitting there waiting for me, that alone is worth the price each month to me.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by autokad on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:48AM (#18760821)
I'm sticking with my 6 SE until its no longer feasible.
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by ryandrake on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:06PM (#18765659)
Critics were saying these kinds of things and more when manufacturers retired floppy drives, then CDROM, then DVD drives from laptops. "It's anti-consumer!" "What am I going to do with all my media?" "The drives don't cost that much to make!" "It doesn't make the computers that much lighter or thinner!" Same with RS-232 and PCMCIA ports.

People grow attached to their obsolete legacy hardware. The nostalgia is strong. I recently wired my house for Internet with physical wires, most out of habit and irrationality. 99% of the Internet use in my household is Wi-Fi, but I'm stuck in the past where "Ethernet is better!" even if technically yes it's faster to my gateway.

Fortunately, for actual legitimate use cases of legacy hardware, we have a multitude of dongles to choose from.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by usaphp on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:49AM (#18761009)
> such a middle finger to consumers

Aren’t you generalizing all consumers? I am also a consumer and I personally don’t care about jack because I’ve been using Bluetooth headphones for years and hated anything with wires ever since I tried Bluetooth. Not sure why people are trying to make a bigger deal out of it than it really is, it’s not a conspiracy theory against you.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by everyone on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:15AM (#18760902)
U know u can view facebook 'as desktop' on firefox (and other browsers Im assuming) on mobile. It works really well that way.
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by yellowapple on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:55AM (#18763103)
It's clunky as hell and requires a lot of zooming on Firefox for Android (among others).
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by a11595 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:03AM (#18760877)
no one intentionally cripples anything. what you are saying is you want lack of choice in the marketplace, and everyone should conform to your usecase.

I got a pixel2 xl. like my dell, it charges via usb-c. a have a bt headset I use for both the laptop and the phone. The lack of cable, especially when I travel and sleep on a plane with music playing, is important. That 1mm of saved space? I'll take it - I wouldn't be using the headphone port anywise.

You - go buy any of the hundreds of phones with the heaphone port you want. No one is stopping you.

They're not crippling anything. They just don't care about you not buying their product, because when I looked to buy mine, I specifically looked for phones with just a usb-c port. like my laptop. for every one of you, there are one of me (probably more).

Do you complain a lexus is not good for moving couches? Or do you buy something else? Your line of reasoning is the middle finger to the consumer. What Google and Apple did are what I, their consumer wants.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by cibyr on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:20AM (#18760920)
As far as I can tell, if you want timely security updates on your smartphone you can buy one of: iPhone XR, iPhone XS, Pixel 3, Pixel 3 XL. No headphone jacks on any of those. How's that for "choice in the marketplace"?
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by a11595 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:02AM (#18761467)
you are now bringing up another feature you'd like in a phone (also a feature I don't care about btw, nor do most others). you'd like a phone with both of those features. how about an sd card and removable battery? I also don't care about those.

so, for whatever features you want, there is a phone. there are hundreds of phones. when you start combining them, you are personalizing a phone. products are made for target markets. that's why people customize cars.

get a phone with a jack, put your own android on it, update it when it's updated. done. If you want a large company to make something specifically for you, with the combination of exact features you want - they don't. same for cars. same for coffee makers.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by pdpi on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @07:06AM (#18761774)
I don’t much care about a headphone jack on my mobile, but lots of people evidently do care. It’s unambiguously an important feature (even if we don’t personally care for it).

Security updates are, again unambiguously, an important feature. You might not care but plenty of people do, and there’s lots of well-documented reasons why that’s probably the saner choice.

Take two big, important features, and realise you can’t have both at the same time. One of those features used to be ubiquitous, and is still present in most devices, but is being phased out. You’re damned right people who care about both feel their device choices are crippled. I don’t blame them.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by pmezard on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:44AM (#18761709)
Security updates are an optional feature ?

Are security devices optional features for cars (and I am not talking about collection cars or similar niche items) ? They are not in first-world countries.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by sfifs on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:36AM (#18760967)
Samsung flagship devices get frequent security updates. In my experience, the hardware integration and service center support is far superior to Pixel and on the software side, Android even with Samsung's add on crap far and away superior to iOS.
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by x0x0 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @04:04AM (#18761344)
Samsung isn't listed on the Android Enterprise Recommended [1] (ie the pretty pretty please just don't buy all your employes iphones because Apple actually update them) list...

[1] https://www.android.com/enterprise/recommended/

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by sfifs on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:28AM (#18761674)
Never heard of any of these phones actually but have personally used the top of the line Galaxy S series phones for many years and the older ones still get regular security updates. S7, S8 and S9 in particular have been distinctly superior to iPhones - I personally found iPhones to be very clunky virtually unusable compared to these.
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by walterbell on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:59AM (#18761042)
Nokia 6/7 and Blackberry KeyOne have headphone jacks and receive monthly security updates (AndroidOne).
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by culot on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:33AM (#18760957)
Sony's Xperia flagships are quite regular with their monthly updates.

I think they've also ditched the headphone jack in their latest models though. For a while it seemed like they'd hold out against glass backs and dropping jacks. But no.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by x0x0 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @04:16AM (#18761369)
Sony mostly only commits for 2 years from launch for security updates. I only know because I'm looking for an Android that gets at least 3 years of security updates which seems reasonable for $800 phones, and I'd prefer it not to be a Pixel...

https://www.androidpit.com/sony-xperia-official-android-upda...

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by culot on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:58PM (#18763472)
I know Samsung does offer security updates for devices >2 years old. I have a Galaxy Note 4 that got 3 years of updates. They weren't monthly, but were fairly regular(1). It does appear that this is common for Samsung flagships, but probably differs depending on variant.

(1) https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-28899

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by x0x0 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @02:18PM (#18764078)
Thanks for sharing. I couldn't find any commitment on Samsung's part which is weird -- if you're doing the work, brag about it!
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by dingaling on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:02AM (#18761468)
Why an arbitrary three years?

I've largely stopped bothering with Android system security updates due to soft-bricking and just concentrate on keeping browser / e-mail and other Internet apps updated.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by x0x0 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:13AM (#18761496)
Honestly, because my phones seem to last about 3 years (battery life, wear and tear, etc) so I'm fine without it lasting longer. I currently have a 2y3m old HTC 10 that is a fine phone just no longer receiving security updates (for at least 6 months now) and I'm very very annoyed about it.

Apple seems to be the only game in town for more than 3 years from date of launch.

Plan B is accept that Android is just second tier stuff and buy a $350 Poco and accept binning perfectly fine hardware because it's so cheap that the price works out.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by temp0876456 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:41AM (#18760982)
+1 for Sony Xperia. I had one until it fell out of my pocket on a lake (always wondered how long it operated being waterproof).

That was my first and last Android phone however. If you think Android is a decent OS try removing Google from it.

If you are ok with Android, Sony hardware is good. Was my second favorite phone vs my X. The screen was 4K and the audio was great for a phone. It was on the heavy side but well built. Lots of battery.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by culot on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:49PM (#18763420)
> If you think Android is a decent OS try removing Google from it.

Actually that was one of my favorite things about my Xperia XZ1 Compact: running LineageOS without Google services. The battery life was insane, like 10-12 hours of screen-on time. I simply did not have to think about charging the thing; I'd charge it every 2-3 days.

Having a device that I could readily bootloader unlock that also has official AOSP support complete with device trees direct from Sony was such a refreshing change for me after years of hacking together homemade device trees for various LG devices.

I regret trading that phone for an LG G7, with its mediocre battery life, heavily bloated, laggy software, and precarious glass build -- also cannot ever be bootloader unlocked, and even if it could you'd have to rely on some community approximation for the device trees, forfeiting fully-functional camera support.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by usaphp on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:42AM (#18760984)
Older iPhones with headphone jack are getting the same security updates as XR and XS.
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by imron on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @02:11AM (#18761070)
Nope. I have a 4s, and that hasn't seen any updates in over 2 years.
Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by scarface74 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @07:08AM (#18761777)
He didn’t say all older phones.

Currently the iPhone 5s, 6, 6 plus, 6s, 6s plus and SE all are still getting security updates. The iPhone 5s was introduced in 2013.

Re:Two years later, I still miss the headphone port by votepaunchy on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:13AM (#18761639)
There were six years of hardware and software updates between the 4S and Xs/Xr!