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Re:Re: [BREAKAGE] Since 4.18, kernel sets SB_I_NODEV implici... by Havoc on Monday December 24, 2018 @08:01AM (#18751933)
Haha well at least he isn't cursing anymore
Re:Re: [BREAKAGE] Since 4.18, kernel sets SB_I_NODEV implici... by mmirate on Monday December 24, 2018 @10:16AM (#18752477)
Only time will tell whether that change is for better or for worse.

(Unless your chosen metric-of-value relies on feelings instead of actual concrete results.)

Re:Re: [BREAKAGE] Since 4.18, kernel sets SB_I_NODEV implici... by tyingq on Monday December 24, 2018 @10:24AM (#18752518)
I like the new tone. It is clear and conveys severity/urgency without the swearing and personal attacks.

Compare to: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/8/495 That's the same guy, so clearly, the swearing didn't have much lasting effect :)

Re:Re: [BREAKAGE] Since 4.18, kernel sets SB_I_NODEV implici... by mmirate on Monday December 24, 2018 @10:41AM (#18752594)
That's one person of many. And it's not a question of aesthetics of the message in the short term, but of the quality of the overall results in the long term and the effort needed to achieve them.

Hopefully this won't happen, but it's entirely possible that this change will result in Linus finding himself with a much greater number of broken, half-broken and/or subtly-broken PRs to review than ever before, increasing the chances of something like https://lwn.net/Articles/57135/ succeeding.

And having a kernel backdoor ship worldwide is way worse than having a few recalcitrant kernel developers be exposed to - oh no! - coarse language. Results > the "fee fees".

Re:Re: [BREAKAGE] Since 4.18, kernel sets SB_I_NODEV implici... by saagarjha on Monday December 24, 2018 @10:55AM (#18752656)
Are you saying that Linus has been able to review fewer patches because his personality has driven people away, and by being nicer he’d be overwhelmed trying to review code?
Re:Re: [BREAKAGE] Since 4.18, kernel sets SB_I_NODEV implici... by mmirate on Monday December 24, 2018 @11:01AM (#18752684)
I'm saying that the patches he has reviewed may have been given more attention-to-detail by submitters and lieutenants because of his personality, in which case by being nicer he would lend his time to be abused to a greater degree. Note that I said "more patches that are broken/semi-broken/subtly-broken", not "more patches overall".
Re:Re: [BREAKAGE] Since 4.18, kernel sets SB_I_NODEV implici... by throw-far-away on Monday December 24, 2018 @10:23AM (#18752515)
Far be it from me to recommend CoC's, as they don't seem to add anything more than ostensible aspirations, but has anyone seen the social rules (guidelines) from NYC's Recurse.com?

https://www.recurse.com/manual#sub-sec-social-rules (via Pony lang CoC)