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Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by rococode on Sunday December 23, 2018 @09:43AM (#18746297)
I think the 80/20 problem - the top 80% of women matching with top 20% of men [1] - is a major issue preventing dating (not hookups) with current apps. Most of my guy friends who use Tinder swipe right very generously because they don't match frequently, while my girl friends swipe conservatively since they match pretty much every other guy (or when they need a bit of an ego boost, they can just spam right swipes for a string of matches).

I believe the key problem is the high visibility of profile pictures, which makes it easy to stick to unrealistically high expectations for the physical attractiveness of people you're willing to talk with. This is reinforced by the constant stream of pictures - when you're swiping right on the couple of really attractive people every 15-20 profiles, it's much easier to swipe left on people who aren't unattractive to you, but just don't reach that level "ok this person is super hot". In other words, "super interesting and decent-looking", while traditionally a good combination, probably doesn't do particularly well on dating apps.

The 80/20 problem, then, comes from the fact that guys swipe right more often than girls, so girls end up matching with a ton of top 20% great-looking guys and feel no need to swipe on the other 80% of guys even though they often never have conversations that go anywhere (at least that's my impression from seeing the smokin hot dudes that my girl friends match with). To be honest, this seems fine for hookups, where you mostly care about physical appearance / attraction. But for longer relationships, I think there's a real lack of effective "modern" options.

What I'd like to see is an app where you don't get to see any pictures until you've initiated a conversation (of some minimum length) with a person. So while browsing profiles, you just get a short bio and some demographic information. I also personally think it'd be nice to filter for certain broad categories (education - for example, same school for college-age folks, income, ethnicity, etc), because intuitively I think people tend to end up with people from similar overall backgrounds - but I can see how that could cause problems. Regardless, I think an app where you at least don't see photos of the person you're talking to until a certain amount of conversation would be great. It would deal with a number of issues:

1. the 80/20 problem with respect getting any kind of conversation going is largely solved, as I believe that stems from people having profile pictures to quickly decide yes/no

2. by showing photos at some point, you still take into account the importance of physical attraction, but this time a person's image is backed by some level of existing rapport

3. you make a higher commitment to each person you talk to since you have to talk a certain amount to see what they look like

4. you're more likely to match with people who have shared values and interests since you have to actually talk with them

5. people are more likely to send messages since without pictures, there's never a feeling of "oh this person is out of my league, no point sending a message"

It's not perfect but I think it'd be a good start for non-hookup dating apps compared to the current choices. (if you agree with my thoughts and have some spare time pls feel free to make something like that haha)

[1] https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g... (not really a rigorous study but the reasoning makes sense)

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by orangeeater on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:13AM (#18746485)
> What I'd like to see is an app where you don't get to see any pictures until you've initiated a conversation (of some minimum length) with a person

I doubt many people would use this app. Physical attraction is too important.

If I was going to design a dating app, I would restrict people to having 1-3 (needs testing) likes/conversations at a time. If you start a new conversation, you drop your oldest one, and the person you dropped would be informed.

The idea would be to encourage users to be more discerning and invest more in conversations.

More generally, I reject the "soul mate theory of dating" - I think most people could be happy with most of the people they find interesting/attractive off the bat (and some of the people they don't). But the multitude of options discourages users from investing in a conversation or meeting up and encourages flash-in-the-pan dating strategies. These strategies rarely translate into the long-term relationships that most users claim to be looking for.

I'm not convinced that this idea would be popular. Admittedly it mainly appeals to my sensibilities (I've never been comfortable with "casting a wide net").

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by evrydayhustling on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:27AM (#18746572)
One challenge with this mechanism is leakage to "out-of-band" relationships... Your app can successfully promote a high-investment approach to dating, but users can still try a more promiscuous approach on another app - diluting trust about mutual investment on your app. Starts to sound like some pretty traditional social conflicts about dating cultures!
Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by laurieg on Sunday December 23, 2018 @11:06AM (#18746792)
I think this would be a very interesting twist on a dating app.

Now we are spoilt for choice on apps like Tinder. Even when you match with someone you have a very strong interest in it's all too easy to keep swiping and have your eyes wander elsewhere.

I do wonder if 'old-fashioned' dating's best feature was that a 'match' only came along rather infrequently.

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by the_jeremy on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:43AM (#18746650)
Similar to what coffee meets bagel does, which restricts you to a pool of 3-5 people per day. swipe left on all of them and you get no matches. It encourages more thinking about compatibility, rather than "if I swipe through 20 more people I can probably get to a really hot one".

It's how I found my current girlfriend, and it's been working really well so far =)

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by throwawayasdfgh on Sunday December 23, 2018 @09:59AM (#18746395)
> the top 80% of women matching with top 20% of men

That's simply not true. An actual scientific study [1] shows people match with people 25% more desirable than them on average, not the absolute top 20%. Interestingly, that 25% figure is true for both men and women.

[1] http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaap9815

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by stared on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:06AM (#18746436)
Based on OKC data, "women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium"

From "Your Looks and Your Inbox - How men and women perceive attractiveness" http://archive.is/489UV

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by username90 on Sunday December 23, 2018 @01:31PM (#18747529)
In that study 18% of men and 2% of women had received no messages. Also the most desirable men had similar response rate as the least desirable women according to their desirability metric.
Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by rococode on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:10AM (#18746460)
I must still be jetlagged or something, because I skimmed the article but still don't understand - how can the 25% figure be true for both men and women? Surely if one gender is, on average, matching with people more deseriable then the other gender that's being matched to them must be matching with people less desirable?
Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by throwawayasdfgh on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:13AM (#18746481)
"The curves are remarkably consistent across all four cities, with men and women on average sending messages to potential partners who are 26 and 23% further up the rankings than themselves, respectively."

Maybe 'matching' was not the correct word, sorry.

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by dorchadas on Sunday December 23, 2018 @11:22AM (#18746878)
That comes across completely differently than what you originally claimed. They're just messaging people that are more desirable, likely hoping they luck out. Not matching with those people.
Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by fjlmgmwkqh on Sunday December 23, 2018 @11:38AM (#18746969)
You need to match in order to message (on Tinder at least).
Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by belorn on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:54AM (#18746720)
Since 80:20 also match the top 20% income distribution for men, it seems like there is something missing from this idea that it is the pictures that are the problem.

If we want a system that breaks the 80:20 models, I would expect a better result by even out the social economical status signals. Make everyone appear identical on classical identified selection metrics and maybe people get less restrictive in the process.

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by Buldak on Sunday December 23, 2018 @12:37PM (#18747263)
The 80/20 problem may be real, but the way you describe it strikes me as circular. (Women are discriminating which induces men to be undiscriminating, which induces women to be discriminating.)
Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by hopler on Sunday December 23, 2018 @09:53AM (#18746350)
Matching by income and education has been implicated in increasing autism ("assortative mating")

Your idea sounds good, but it won't get traction because people love the titilation of looking at pictures. It's why most people in the last met in meatspace life instead of via classified ads in the newspaper.

Re:Five Years That Changed Dating by empath75 on Sunday December 23, 2018 @11:02AM (#18746755)
> I think the 80/20 problem - the top 80% of women matching with top 20% of men [1]

Did you even read your article? It’s the about the same ratio for the opposite genders.

Most people are interested in more people than are interested in them.