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Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by giancarlostoro on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:04PM (#18738418)
I noticed this about phones, if you're using GPS and get a call and answer, guess what, no more GPS. So my guess is the phone cuts off the mobile data, and yeah then you'd see the real coverage.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by ajdhsjakafjt on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:19PM (#18738496)
Mobile networks are two-way systems. If you have perfect reception of the mobile network - let's say full bars! - then that doesn't mean the mobile network also has reception of your mobile device.

Most of the time, your phone is in RX-only mode to save battery. It listenes for incoming data every millisecond or two, but no more. But as soon as you actively use the network, things change. The basestation must receive your signals as well. This may suddenly and dramatically change the perception of "signal quality". Before it's RX quality only, then it's RX+TX quality.

With incoming or outgoing calls, your phone may switch to another technology. While it may be idling in 4G, large parts of the world rely on 2G for voice calls. As soon as the call starts, the phone switched to 2G and naturally shows 2G reception.

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by giancarlostoro on Saturday December 22, 2018 @01:42PM (#18741849)
Interesting, yeah I don't know a whole lot about the underlying tech. I figure Google Maps uses my mobile data which explains why it sorta appears to have lost it's own darn mind.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by cbhl on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:30PM (#18738746)
CDMA phones (notably, 3G Sprint US, 3G Bell Canada, 3G Telus Canada) couldn't simultaneously use data (say, Google Maps) and voice.

GPS lat/long would work fine, but you won't be able to download turn-by-turn directions or map tiles/vectors from Google.

LTE (and 3G HSPA, such as AT&T, T-mo, 3G/4G/LTE Rogers Canada, LTE Bell Canada, LTE Telus Canada) don't have this behavior. Voice calls are packet switched (so you can do voice and data at the same time).

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by gsich on Friday December 21, 2018 @10:04PM (#18738665)
GPS is receive only, no mobile data is used there.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by rzzzt on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:27AM (#18740126)
Assisted GPS might require data/mobile network connection for the brief period of time the phone figures out where it is, roughly.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by bayindirh on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:18AM (#18740886)
Assisted GPS talks with the towers around, pings them for distance and gets their coordinates. It's happening on the GSM layer. It's also a no-data exchange IIRC.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by gsich on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:46AM (#18741003)
No, I think it's only downloading almanach data for faster GPS.
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by bayindirh on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:38AM (#18741235)
It's one of the operational modes. On the other mode it calculates the location on behalf of the user and responds back with it [0].

In both modes data connection is required, so I'm mistaken.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by giancarlostoro on Saturday December 22, 2018 @01:40PM (#18741840)
Google Maps uses mobile data to render the maps though do they not?
Re:AT&T will put a fake 5G logo on its 4G LTE phones by gsich on Monday December 24, 2018 @11:39AM (#18752875)
But how is this related to GPS?