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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by detaro on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:55PM (#18729508)
Interesting notes: Qualcomm has to place 668.4 million € (or maybe double that!) in bond to enforce the injunction (technically there's two separate cases, each with this bond amount, I haven't quite figured out if they actually need to pay both to be effective), which is to ensure money is available to pay damages to Apple if higher courts reverse the decision.

Also, Qualcomm made claims about how the Apple devices work based on their own reverse engineering efforts. Apple claimed those are wrong, but declined to provide enough evidence substantiating that (saying that their supplier had a higher interest in keeping the details secret, so they couldn't reveal them to the court), which is why they lost.

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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by GeekyBear on Thursday December 20, 2018 @11:50PM (#18731490)
The strange thing is that the gentleman who designed the chip in question was not called as a witness despite being present at the trial so he could offer his own testimony.

>Mr. Mike Kay spent almost 12 hours waiting [outside the court] on November 8, for an opportunity to testify in a Qualcomm v. Apple patent infringement trial

Mike Kay is a Qorvo employee and designed the envelope tracker chip used in some iPhones models that Qualcomm alleges infringe on its European patent EP2724461 ("low-voltage power-efficient envelope tracker").

http://www.fosspatents.com/2018/11/hoping-to-defend-iphone-a...

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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by fluffycat on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:41AM (#18733208)
Fosspatents and Florian Mueller.. Where do I remember these? In past he was paid by big corporations for his "Consultancy" services.
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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by eisa01 on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:10AM (#18733367)
I was reading his posts back in the day, did anyone ever perform any analysis if his predictions were right?
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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by GeekyBear on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:38AM (#18733524)
I think the general consternation about Mueller started when he predicted that, as a matter of law, Oracle would ultimately be the victor in it's case against Google over Java.

Which did eventually come to pass, in a Federal appeals court ruling in March of this year that overturned the findings of the jury in the previous trial.

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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by fluffycat on Friday December 28, 2018 @05:31AM (#18776004)
He was paid by Oracle when he made that "prediction".
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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by fluffycat on Friday December 21, 2018 @09:22AM (#18733436)
When someone works as a hired gun, all their good works are tainted as well. So who cares.
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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by fipple on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:00PM (#18729547)
Interesting. So one could identify areas of a product that a company needs to keep secret, and sue for patent infringement saying your reverse engineering shows they are infringing.
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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by tomelders on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:24PM (#18729732)
It would appear so... but in this case it will cost you about six hundred billion dollars if you're just trying your luck.

I suspect Qualcomm genuinely believe they have a case. But I wouldn't bet against Apple being genuinely innocent.

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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by mamon on Thursday December 20, 2018 @06:20PM (#18730152)
I think you meant millions...
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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by tomelders on Thursday December 20, 2018 @07:34PM (#18730560)
Fijian dollars.
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Re:Apple to pull some iPhones in Germany as Qualcomm extends... by Steko on Thursday December 20, 2018 @07:39PM (#18730578)
That’s if you want an injunction though which is a stronger remedy. They could just collect afterwards like most patent suit awards.
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