Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by m0zg on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:08PM
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JG was _managing people_ doing the magic. There's a difference. By himself, he can't really do much. He's not even a ML/DL guy per se.
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Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by geofft on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:11PM
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Magic is about management. The most talented ICs can't do much unless management supports them in it. (And I say this as an IC.)
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by oh_sigh on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:24PM
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Management is a necessary but insufficient condition for magic.
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by m0zg on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:13PM
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Not in research.
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by Aloha on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:19PM
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Even in Research.
Xerox PARC is a great example - PARC invented everything, but very little of it was immediately commercially applicable - Good management, is what turns "people producing great things", to "people producing great things regular people can use"
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by geofft on Thursday December 20, 2018 @05:37PM
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Anyone with a successful research lab is a manager: they're spending a good chunk of their time herding grad students, writing grant proposals, hiring junior faculty, etc. This model works.
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by threeseed on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:28PM
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Managers decide on the culture, composition and priorities of a team.
They are just as significant as individuals in the team.
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by gumby on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:00PM
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JG is the reason Google has all that ML effort. He joined google via the MetaWeb acquisition; when he'd finished his earn-out he wanted to leave but was asked to look around for something useful to do and consolidated a bunch of dispersed ML efforts. He also bought Deep Mind on behalf of Google.
I don't know why you would say he's "not a DL/ML guy per se" -- he's a programmer, not an MBA type. You consider MetaWeb and TellMe inadequate?
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by danso on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:24PM
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So you concede that there was “magic” being done at Google, but you want to argue that Giannandrea’s leadership of the search and AI teams had nothing to do with it?
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by danso on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:12PM
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If there’s one company that’s proved how successful non-technical leaders can be, it would seemingly be Apple.
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by greglindahl on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:28PM
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jg isn't non-technical.
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:56PM
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Don't you think it's likely that JG will convince other top AI/ML talent to join Apple? That's usually a senior exec's main job, to recruit, retain and grow people who are building the products.
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by hellofunk on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:56PM
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Uh, Jobs was not an engineer either, just a simple ol' manager, right? Managers don't have any power and capabilities, right?
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by dboreham on Friday December 21, 2018 @08:58AM
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ffs jg is an Engineer.
Re:John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team
by djtriptych on Thursday December 20, 2018 @02:11PM
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what is it you think executives do?