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Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by bitxbitxbitcoin on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:06PM (#18717773)
Yet we'll still have people saying that that 5% is just too much.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by jdhn on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:03PM (#18718301)
There will always be people who want to eliminate all risk, even if it's impossible to do so.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:22PM (#18717918)
Maybe it is. Would be good to benchmark it against stuff other than the byword for self inflicted cancer.

Is it as bad as coca cola? If so it should probably be discouraged.

Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by bitxbitxbitcoin on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:45PM (#18718124)
I would actually love to know if it's as bad as coca cola.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by verdverm on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:58PM (#18718253)
Sugar generally?
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by bitxbitxbitcoin on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:15PM (#18718451)
High-fructose corn syrup specifically.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by brianwawok on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @03:22PM (#18719183)
HFCS compared to Sugar or nothing?

Americans clearly eat way too much Sugar or Sugar like substances. Even if best case HFCS is ruled as healthy as Sugar, it should still be drastically cut back / avoided.

Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by wahern on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @03:55PM (#18719509)
Is there any strong evidence that dietary HFCS is consequentially different than sugar? HFCS is 55%/45% fructose/glucose vs 50%/50% for cane sugar.

That's a mere 5% difference, plus the fact that the gut doesn't need to cleave the fructose from the glucose using sucrase. But AFAIU the cleaving happens readily and rapidly.

It wouldn't be shocking if HFCS was consequentially different, but it seems unlikely. HFCS just seems like a misleading distraction outside arguments about agricultural politics. Worse than a distraction, actually, because relying on flimsy and unnecessary arguments makes it easier for those defending the arguably excessive use of sugar in the food supply to inject FUD into the debate.

Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by Jonovono on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:32PM (#18718015)
E cigs are physically healthier than normal cigarettes but I still think they are worse for you.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by code_beers on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:36PM (#18718052)
What on Earth does that even mean?
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by verdverm on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:54PM (#18718204)
It means that there is a psychology component. That people who are addicts, nicotine or whatever, spend significant portions of mental energy focussed on the object of addiction.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by moftz on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:11PM (#18718397)
Great thing about e-cigs is that you can wean yourself off the nicotine while still keeping the simulation of smoking. You can buy progressively lower nicotine concentrations until you feel comfortable with no nicotine. Once you don't have a physical addiction, giving up the e-cig entirely becomes easier. I used to smoke cigarettes and drink caffeine whenever I was staying up late to study. School got harder so more late nights meant I smoked more up to the point I was smoking during the day just to smoke. I switched to a vape with a high nicotine concentration instead. I found that I used it much more often, I could get a nicotine fix indoors but at least it wasn't a real cig. I started backing down the concentration and the use (mostly due to the public image of looking like a douchebag blowing huge clouds) and now I'm at the point where I only use the lowest concentration when I'm in the car alone. Nicotine addiction is barely on the radar for me anymore. Smoking really doesn't have that "volume knob" that vaping does. You can make that responsible choice of buying lower concentrations that isn't really possible when you buy a pack of cigs.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by moreoutput on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:52PM (#18718873)
Indeed, those people could be producing things for me.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by Jonovono on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @09:25PM (#18722013)
Ya basically what verdverm said. They are much more addictive since you can smoke them anywhere anytime now.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by code_beers on Thursday December 20, 2018 @12:44PM (#18727112)
The article says they are 95% less harmful than cigarettes. Yet you say you still think they are “worse for you”. Regardless of accessibility, I just can’t see that being a sensible statement. You can’t say whatever psychological harms may be occurring are worse than death - that’s insane. Fewer people are dying, they’re less harmful, period. Not ideal, sure, but we’re moving in the right direction.
Re:E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco, estima... by verdverm on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:52PM (#18718195)
I feel like they are worse for society. We have an epidemic among children, people smoking them indoors, unknown usage and concentrations of a highly addictive substance.