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Re:What, No Python in RHEL 8 Beta? by hedora on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:24AM (#18716732)
I’m pissed almost daily at how many build systems break because they need 3.5.3 vs 3.5.4 or whatever, and at how many only work because they create a new virtual environment for every single script (Virtual environment ~= copy of python auto-downloaded from some random places).

Also, FFS, why can’t pyc files have a bytecode format version number embedded in them, or at least be called .pyc3 by python 3?

The whole ecosystem needs to solve the packaging problem, or get replaced by some other language ASAP. Instead, it’s breaking entire distros with its packaging tire fire.

For many python projects I’ve dealt with, it is easier to reimplement that dang thing in some other language than make the python build reliable, secure and redistributable.

Re:What, No Python in RHEL 8 Beta? by cpburns2009 on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @12:35PM (#18717479)
Doesn't Python 3 compile the .pyc files under the __pycache__ directory, and version them based on Python's version?
Re:What, No Python in RHEL 8 Beta? by umanwizard on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:33AM (#18716823)
Maybe Python should stop changing so often?

With C++ for example you are usually either targeting C++11, C++14, or C++17 (or if you're really unfortunate, C++03). The set of features in the language only changes every few years.

Granted it's still possible that someone could have an old compiler that doesn't implement the advertised standard correctly, but that's a bug, not a deliberate design choice.

Re:What, No Python in RHEL 8 Beta? by antoinealb on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:56AM (#18717026)
Thats not really fair. Python 3.2 was release in 2011 and Python 3.4 in 2014. Only 3.3 was released in the middle, I would not say it is only "so often" compared to c++. To be more general, C++ had 3 major versions from 2011 to 2017, while python had 5. Its more, but not significantly so (especially since very little compatibility is broken between 3.4 and 3.5 for example).

And if you are talking about which version is shipped with a distro, then RHEL7 ships with gcc 4.8, which support only parts of c++14, while for example the latest Ubuntu LTS ships GCC 7,3, meaning you get full C++17 support.

Don't get me wrong, the Python packaging situation is not very clean. But it is far from being an exception, and people complaining about it are just spreading FUD.

Re:What, No Python in RHEL 8 Beta? by StillBored on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @12:25PM (#18717349)
But the compiler is the same, so you specify the dialect you expect to use rather than running a different binary. Although to be fair, at least one distro decided to start shipping gcc like gcc-X where X is the version, so you can have multiple GCC's installed. I'm not sure that was the best idea, but its what they did.
Re:What, No Python in RHEL 8 Beta? by wyldfire on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:03PM (#18717737)
> Maybe Python should stop changing so often?

This argument is almost cyclical.

> With C++ for example you are usually either targeting C++11, C++14, or C++17 (or if you're really unfortunate, C++03). The set of features in the language only changes every few years.

C++ went from glacial-pace changes - 85 / 98 / 03 / 11 -- to much faster ones: 14, 17, 20. This change in standards behavior was motivated by closing the gap with feature-rich, faster-moving languages like Python (Java, C#, etc).

Python makes language changes somewhat rarely, but library changes more often. The majority of the time, those library changes are brand new functionality.