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Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by burfog on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:11PM (#18718389)
The article mentions "sexual assault" as the motivation. In recent years, the rate has spiked in Sweden, from almost nothing to being really common.

The situation is pretty weird, because the cause is obvious but discussing it is considered unacceptable. Living in Sweden does not make a person follow the norms of traditional Swedish culture.

Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by collyw on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:29AM (#18716237)
I am curious, aren't we allowed to identify as whatever we want these days? As a male what would happen if I went up and told them I identify as a female?
Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by i_am_nomad on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:39AM (#18716882)
Yes, but once you start toggling your "identity" for whatever suits the occasion, it's not really an identity anymore.
Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by philwelch on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:48AM (#18716956)
What if that is my identity?
Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by thoughtpol on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @11:48AM (#18716959)
So, are you saying that the identity of gender benders is invalid?
Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by thecopy on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:04AM (#18716022)
I couldn't care less about this festival. Let them do what they want to do.

Anyway, from what i understood, "cis-men" was allowed, they needed to be due to construction, technicians etc, but they where "held" in what by the organizeres was called a "man-pen".

Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by MaxBarraclough on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:17AM (#18716140)
They were allowed, but clearly discouraged, and that's enough to be in breach of the law. From the article:

> "No differentiation based on sex was made between visitors at entry," the ruling said. However, it added that "public statements which clearly discourage" a certain group from attending an event amounts to discrimination, and therefore the festival was in breach of the law prohibiting gender-based discrimination.

Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by belorn on Thursday December 20, 2018 @08:57AM (#18724884)
The organizers had made public and explicit statement that "cis-men was not allowed", but then did not enforce it at entry.

Also, a "man-pen"? Just imagine if the targeted demographic was something else, like Muslims.

Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by jeklj on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:15AM (#18716125)
> The DO said that no individuals had been discriminated against, and noted that the festival had not in practice enforced the ban on cisgender men

Alrighty then.

Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by MaxBarraclough on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:21AM (#18716165)
Meaning what? The law extends to public statements which clearly discourage, even if they aren't enforced by denial of entry on the day.

Seems clear enough why this is the case: advertising with, say, No blacks allowed is prohibited, even if you don't enforce this policy on the day.

Re:Sweden's 'man-free' festival was discriminatory, rules Sw... by jeklj on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:09PM (#18717794)
Meaning what you’ve pointed out is clear; the problem was the statement and not material discrimination. “No blacks allowed”, in America at least, was no idle threat.