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Re:Envoy Proxy at Reddit by soonbesleeping on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @11:52PM (#18713109)
Agreed, it was hard to read from all the jargon. Also seems overly complex.
Re:Envoy Proxy at Reddit by dalyons on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @03:33AM (#18714149)
if you arent familiar with the "jargon" in this post then you're probably not in a position to reasonably judge whether its "overly complex". Most everything in here would be familiar to anyone with experience working on modern high volume web properties.
Re:Envoy Proxy at Reddit by ojhughes on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @12:39PM (#18717521)
Regardless of whether Service Mesh is overly complex, the industry seems to have entered an era of "Complexity Worship". I was speaking to some engineers at a small startup the other day with only a handful of customers. They have invested significant resource building there own K8S cluster, ensuring it runs on multi-cloud etc, sounds a lot like premature optimisation.
Re:Envoy Proxy at Reddit by rhizome on Thursday December 20, 2018 @03:26PM (#18728793)
I have a theory that Complexity Worship is a product of boredom by CS degrees who would rather not spend their time implementing WYSIWYG editors or whatever anymore.
Re:Envoy Proxy at Reddit by lykr0n on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @12:55PM (#18717674)
That's insane. I feel like at a small scale you get a product out the door and refine it until you start growing. It's really not hard to use ansible to deploy your stuff onto EC2 and add more nodes as you grow.

But, K8s is the new hotness and people are going to use it.

Re:Envoy Proxy at Reddit by pm90 on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:19AM (#18713516)
The original architecture seemed overly complex IMO. Maintaining a fleet of HAProxys and their configs seems daunting... it seems like they're gaining both flexibility (maintaining configs easily) and observability (request/response metrics for thirft requests)
Re:Envoy Proxy at Reddit by ckwang on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @01:57AM (#18713682)
Per-service proxy deployments are a bit complex for the infrastructure but provide a nice abstraction for the service and service developers themselves. The configuration scheme is indeed daunting, which is what we're hoping Envoy and its xDS APIs + centralized configs can help us solve for developer teams.
Re:Envoy Proxy at Reddit by rhizome on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:21AM (#18713817)
Like the redesign.