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Re:Breaking Into Android Phones with a 3D-Printed Head by SlowRobotAhead on Monday December 17, 2018 @10:13AM (#18699380)
If it’s just 3D without heat mapping, why don’t masks work?
Re:Breaking Into Android Phones with a 3D-Printed Head by _tulpa on Monday December 17, 2018 @08:38PM (#18703890)
I mean... A quick search would show you that masks can work. But I’ll bite.

It’s really precise 3D with a greyscale non-thermal IR image. Could be inaccurate masks? Missing details around the eyes and mouth and other important areas? Do masks have eyes with a discernable gaze direction? Do they have microexpressions or natural facial deformation? Do the eyes move?

There’s a buttload of stuff they could be measuring that is insanely hard to replicate with a mask. Besides, a thermal map would be pretty much useless even if the hardware was capable of thermal imaging. Skin temperature varies a lot (and not always uniformly) based on ambient conditions, physical exertion, being sick, sitting in direct sunlight, etc, etc.

Re:Breaking Into Android Phones with a 3D-Printed Head by rtkwe on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @10:03AM (#18706839)
Hmm I wonder if it is gaze detection. Seems like if you can detect gaze direction fast enough you could use the presence or absence of saccades to tell if it's a real live person or not. Doing that in a mask/bust would be fairly difficult.

It could also be looking at small changes like the periodic flushing that happens (see [0]). Though I'm not sure how well that would work on a moving phone but it could work I think just at a broader scale. FaceID is really fast though so not certain there's enough time to gather the data for that either.

[0] http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/