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Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by cecilpl2 on Friday December 14, 2018 @09:42PM (#18686717)
The idea is that the public projects increase everyone's wealth by a greater amount than the interest on the debt.

If you take money out of the equation and just consider that we have a large pool of labor to make use of, government's purpose in spending on projects is to allocate some of that labor towards long-term goals that no company would involve itself in as the pure profit potential is too risky, distant, or difficult to capitalize on.

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by jondubois on Saturday December 15, 2018 @04:02AM (#18687703)
But it doesn't increase everyone's wealth equally... What's worse is that it doesn't even increase everyone's wealth in a fair way. It does not reward value creation. It rewards rent seeking (value capturing). It's not about who can create value in the most efficient way; it's about which corporation has the most friends in government and can get the biggest contracts.
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by novalis78 on Saturday December 15, 2018 @07:53AM (#18688186)
So then debt and IOUs as obligation for some future work that’s due re-introduces a feudal system with fancy language. Suddenly people have to work longer and harder to maintain the same living standards while their wealth gets expropriated and via crony government relationships of particularly well established lobbying industries runs into to pockets of a minority that’s not necessarily engaged in generating true value for the public. Sounds like ‘systemic’ Feudalism.
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by spectrum1234 on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:34AM (#18687224)
This might be true. However it's fact that poor people lose the most from inflation. Which is better?
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by slededit on Saturday December 15, 2018 @01:59AM (#18687415)
The poor don’t have savings. If you spend as much or more than you make inflation benefits you by devaluing the debt you owe.

If you have a large 401k on the other hand it deflates the value of your retirement savings. You may have to work in old age.

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by nradov on Saturday December 15, 2018 @08:35AM (#18688327)
Inflation generally doesn't hurt the value of stocks in a 401(k). You still own the same percentage of the underlying public corporations. Inflation only hurts your bond holdings. This is one reason why it's best to keep at least some of your retirement fund assets in stocks even as you approach retirement age rather than shifting entirely too bonds.

TIPS also provide a way to hedge against inflation in retirement funds.

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by slededit on Saturday December 15, 2018 @08:44AM (#18688349)
Inflation does hurt the underlying companies, and thus stocks are not immune.

Except in cases with extremely high inflation most contracts are not inflation adjusted. By the time a company is paid the merchandise sold is worth significantly more in fiat terms. In high inflation an entity is loathe to trade assets for dollars and so the economy will slow.

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by nradov on Saturday December 15, 2018 @08:59AM (#18688400)
Your point is generally false as long as inflation remains at a reasonable level (no hyperinflation). You can chart out stock market index returns versus inflation if you don't believe me.
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by slededit on Saturday December 15, 2018 @09:23AM (#18688476)
I was speaking of relatively high inflation (>10%). The fed has been extremely good at keeping inflation stable so we have not seen this in a long time.

This is not a criticism of current fed policy with respect to its relatively low inflation targets. While the effects I mentioned still occur, they are vastly outweighed by other concerns at low inflation levels.

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by Joeri on Saturday December 15, 2018 @08:15AM (#18688266)
But the working poor don’t see their hourly wage rise automatically as a consequence of inflation, so unless the government mandates higher minimum wage, or unions negotiate it, or there’s a shortage of low-wage workers driving up wages, their income drops in real terms and they are worse off.
Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by markvdb on Saturday December 15, 2018 @04:50AM (#18687797)
Both your comment and the parent comment are right. How so?

Two things:

* Poor means less access to more expensive debt. Rich means more access to cheaper debt.

* Rich means one can use debt leverage to grow one's assets. How does that influence the value of necessities for the less rich...?

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by jondubois on Saturday December 15, 2018 @04:13AM (#18687718)
But it also deflates the value of assets that generate monetary profits. If the value of cash goes down, then the value of cash-generating assets also goes down.

When the value of today-money goes down, the value of tomorrow-money goes up relatively. That explains why tech companies and speculative investments do well during expansionary monetary policy. It aslo explains why advertising and brand become so important. Because if the value of money goes up in the future, then the value of each customer will also go up; even if you have to make a net loss today to pay for advertising to get those customers.

Re:Debt Worldwide Hits Record $86k per Person by matt4077 on Saturday December 15, 2018 @08:35AM (#18688326)
Poor people with debt actually profit from inflation. Losers are people with cash savings and equivalent, plus those expecting pensions not indexed to inflation.