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Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by Doctor_Fegg on Friday December 14, 2018 @06:31PM (#18685879)
> Is it the greatest Christmas song ever?

I’m a church organist inter alia and I doubt any of my fellows would say it was. O Come All Ye Faithful? Certainly. Hark the Herald? Could be. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen with that spine-tingling David Willcocks last verse? Perhaps. But sweet, saccharine Silent Night? It wouldn’t be on the list.

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by sparky_z on Friday December 14, 2018 @08:00PM (#18686320)
Oh Holy Night, when done very well. But it suffers more than most when the performance is just mediocre.
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by nicklaf on Friday December 14, 2018 @09:54PM (#18686758)
But it suffers more than most when the performance is just mediocre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiTX_jfUI5Y

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by bitwize on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:18AM (#18687189)
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by mongol on Saturday December 15, 2018 @02:25AM (#18687480)
Very well, like with Jussi Björling

https://youtu.be/ofKk_Etapq4

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by haberman on Friday December 14, 2018 @09:47PM (#18686730)
This is funny for me. I'm a singer and organist who has spent my life in churches and I am notorious among all my friends and family for loathing Silent Night (in good fun). It is slow, harmonically uninteresting, but worst of all it is always sung unaccompanied on Christmas Eve, in which time it get slower and flatter until it is at risk of coming to a complete stop.

Give me O Come All Ye Faithful or One in Royal David's City from Carols for Choirs. Or O Come, O Come Emmanuel.

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by labster on Friday December 14, 2018 @11:57PM (#18687127)
Definitely some survivor bias in your choices, since Adeste Fideles and Veni Emmanuel have Latin names. I'd throw In Dulci Jubilo in the same group of songs that have earned a permanent place in the Christmas songbook.
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by seandougall on Friday December 14, 2018 @06:49PM (#18685978)
I dunno, it got my kids to fall asleep last night. I'm feeling pretty good about it right now.
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by mci on Saturday December 15, 2018 @02:13AM (#18687450)
Give Bóg się rodzi a try. It is a Polish Christmas song whose lyrics come from ~1792. The melody is much older.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyKE7XbEVpQ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Is_Born

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by tenaciousDaniel on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:12PM (#18686082)
God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, and Carol of the Bells are my favorites.
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by cvwright on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:45PM (#18686267)
Nice choices! IMO the best Christmas songs have a mix of joy and something.. else. Something a little eerie. Not quite foreboding, exactly, but definitely a bit tense.

From a certain perspective, maybe this is theologically correct to have a mix of "Yay Jesus is coming!" and also at the same time "Oh shit, he's coming here?!?"

For those from other faith traditions, imagine you hear that your CEO is finally going to visit your little under-appreciated department. "Yay!" you think.

Then they tell you, "Yeah, cool huh? He's waiting in your office."

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by DanAndersen on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:05PM (#18686790)
Agreed! My favorite Christmas carols are the ones that aren't just marking a jolly merry festival, but have that "foreboding" melancholy potency you describe. I think G. K. Chesteron did a good job of capturing the sense of it, in his "The Everlasting Man" [0]:

>Christmas for us in Christendom has become one thing, and in one sense even a simple thing. But like all the truths of that tradition, it is in another sense a very complex thing. Its unique note is the simultaneous striking of many notes; of humility, of gaiety, of gratitude, of mystical fear, but also of vigilance and of drama. [...] There is something defiant in it also; something that makes the abrupt bells at midnight sound like the great guns of a battle that has just been won. All this indescribable thing that we call the Christmas atmosphere only bangs in the air as something like a lingering fragrance or fading vapor from the exultant, explosion of that one hour in the Judean hills nearly two thousand years ago. But the savor is still unmistakable, and it is something too subtle or too solitary to be covered by our use of the word peace. By the very nature of the story the rejoicings in the cavern were rejoicings in a fortress or an outlaws den; properly understood it is not unduly flippant to say they were rejoicing in a dug-out. It is not only true that such a subterranean chamber was a hiding-place from enemies; and that the enemies were already scouring the stony plain that lay above it like a sky. It is not only that the very horse-hoofs of Herod might in that sense have passed like thunder over the sunken head of Christ. It is also that there is in that image a true idea of an outpost, of a piercing through the rock and an entrance into an enemy territory. There is in this buried divinity an idea of undermining the world; of shaking the towers and palaces from below; even as Herod the great king felt that earthquake under him and swayed with his swaying palace.

[0] http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/chesterton/everlasting...

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by tenaciousDaniel on Friday December 14, 2018 @11:42PM (#18687084)
Never read GK Chesterton, but now I guess I have to. Dude wrote the hell out of that passage.
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by byset on Saturday December 15, 2018 @06:12AM (#18687975)
Never thought I’d come across a long Chesterton passage on HN. Hooray!
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by tenaciousDaniel on Friday December 14, 2018 @11:38PM (#18687066)
Ah yeah. O Holy Night is the perfect example. It starts off soft and soothing, then transforms into something that sounds foreboding, and then finishes with something that sounds triumphant. It's marvelous.
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by bitwize on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:21AM (#18687197)
To outsiders, Christianity can seem downright Lovecraftian in the terror it inspires. Ever see Evangelion?
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by gjm11 on Sunday December 16, 2018 @11:42AM (#18693785)
Then you might enjoy this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Very_Scary_Solstice and its successor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Even_Scarier_Solstice -- much of the content of both can be found on YouTube. I particularly enjoyed Death to the World.
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by felipemnoa on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:57PM (#18686309)
Don't forget about Joy To The World. And it'll be 300 years young next year according to wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_to_the_World

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by burfog on Friday December 14, 2018 @11:15PM (#18687002)
The First Noel is thought to date back to the early modern period, which runs from about 1453 to 1789.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Noel

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by Tomte on Saturday December 15, 2018 @09:09AM (#18688433)
To laypeople probably more so.

Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht has always been the ultimate song at the end of the Christmas service in my church, after the benediction.

And, the best part when I was a child, the sun on the side of the organ would spin at the last verse. It would only do so on that occasion, once a year.

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by fipple on Friday December 14, 2018 @06:50PM (#18685987)
Can I speculate that you grew up in a warm climate?
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by Doctor_Fegg on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:05PM (#18686054)
Rural England? I wish...
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by fipple on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:43PM (#18686257)
My theory is that most people who don’t like Silent Night never got to have a truly silent winter night... which of course requires active snowfall with no wind.
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by petecox on Friday December 14, 2018 @10:56PM (#18686950)
Those of us in the Southern Hemisphere never really got the sleighride thing.

Not when it's 40ºC.

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by bitwize on Saturday December 15, 2018 @12:22AM (#18687202)
Come visit Medford, MA (where Jingle Bells is ostensibly set) in late December or January.

Then you'll get it.

Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by doctorless on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:02PM (#18686038)
Ave Maria?
Re:“Silent Night” turns 200 by ZanyProgrammer on Friday December 14, 2018 @07:09PM (#18686068)
Is that really Nativity specific? Seems more like the Annunciation.