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Re:Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH by bayindirh on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @01:15AM (#18661738)
It's almost 2019. Are we still fighting over this? OTOH, purely from my experience, MS's tools are good for managing a domain, or some computers.

When you start to administer hundreds or thousands of servers, scriptability of CLI tools and pliability of text files trumps all computer automation.

xCAT and Salt are two tools (that I use regularly) which are built on these properties and can manage thousands of servers with a "flick of a finger".

Re:Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH by StudentStuff on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @01:51AM (#18661869)
On that note, these administration issues are why Walmart & Kroger are on SUSE, much of the IT work you see smaller chains employing people to do has been automated away, or reduced to having any available employee follow a (very simple) guide on how to netboot the machine for re-imaging.
Re:Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH by bayindirh on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @03:05AM (#18662191)
A very simple FAI or Kickstart server with small tools to enable provisioning can automate a lot of things in a non-IT oriented workspace.

A simple HTML form to "arm" the installation server, a simple reboot and PXE booting can be much more effective than all the painkillers combined for remedying the headaches of IT people and managers alike.

If you don't roll changes that often, you can distribute emergency USBs to install servers and workstations. Even a single USB can detect and install the system accordingly.

Re:Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH by pcdoodle on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @08:20AM (#18663597)
Hell yeah we're going to fight over it. Whenever something that works is turned into something that sucks, we gotta point it out until it's no longer sucky.
Re:Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH by bayindirh on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @02:37PM (#18667027)
I think there's a misunderstanding. I was talking about fighting over "MS vs. Linux" on the subject of administration paradigm.

Of course we should point out sucky tools regardless of its platform.

Re:Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH by dethswatch on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @12:51PM (#18666018)
> scriptability of CLI tools and pliability of text files >trumps all computer automa

I feel the need to sing, "You may have both.... you _may_ have both.... it's not so hard to imagine... MS even did it in certain products..."

Re:Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH by bayindirh on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @02:40PM (#18667062)
Yes, it's technically possible. However, it's not always implemented like that. Also, in reality we don't have both, at least in my realm.

Being able to tune a system from top to bottom solely with text files is just amazing. Also, some people hate "everything is a file" philosophy, but it's the enabler of this configurability.

When I started programming Linux and saw that everything was accessible via normal file system, it was a big relief compared to W32's iceberg environment, where you cannot see everything and sometimes water is too cold to dive that deep.