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Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by NotAnEconomist on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @08:56PM (#18660742)
> perhaps the government quietly permits more profit motivated blackhat operations in exchange for some intelligence sharing

I've long wondered if we're going to see cyber warfare "letters of marque" at some point.

In retaliation to cyber attacks on US companies, the US government could designate Chinese firms with connections to the Chinese government (and particularly those which support the Chinese military) in letters of marque, allowing retaliatory IP theft, permission to cause damages, etc.

If the Chinese government is behind these attacks on US companies, than we are in a de facto state of warfare.

Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by nradov on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @10:48PM (#18661239)
I doubt we'll see formal legal letters of marque until and unless we're in a state of open war. The US government already has a policy of using kinetic means to retaliate against serious cyber attacks and other governments take similar approaches. So unleashing a bunch of mercenaries without clear constraints would create a dangerous risk of unexpected escalation.

But federal law enforcement could simply decline to pursue private actors who attacked adversary states. Plausible deniability, to an extent.

Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by bitxbitxbitcoin on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @09:40PM (#18660958)
If we see cyber warfare "letters of marque" imagine if they allow for the takedown of internet pirates without allegiance to any particular country.
Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by onetimemanytime on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @02:50AM (#18662120)
But total war might follow.

Live by the sword...What if NSA already did the same to China? That's their mission, isn't it? China's "NSA" succeeded but became public.

Our NSA might have succeed dozens of time but China keeps it a secret.

Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by acct1771 on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @12:02AM (#18661525)
The open warfare can't come soon enough, as far as caring about the stability of our infrastructure is concerned.
Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by Latteland on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @02:35AM (#18662040)
What are you thinking! Open cyber warfare could destroy our way of life. Imagine if all electronic records were very suspect. Bank acct values had millions of known wrong values.
Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by acct1771 on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @10:59AM (#18664950)
I watched someone take ten pictures of pure black last night to keep a "streak" fire emoji next to their chats on Snapchat.

Our way of life is kind of fucked, to be blunt, and our consumer tech culture could use a cull.

Those who don't understand or respect tech...they haven't been (explained/bitten by) the consequences of their ignorance.

Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by lolc on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @02:18AM (#18661980)
Did you have limited skirmishes in mind or a nuclear war?
Re:Marriott Data Breach Traced to Chinese Hackers, US Readie... by acct1771 on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @11:01AM (#18664963)
Escalating attacks on State/corp network infrastructure would lead to better tools being built immediately by those who have the resources to do so, hopefully making their way to everyone eventually.