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Re:Why I'm usually unnerved when modern SSDs die on us by ars on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @10:52AM (#18656099)
> Why can't you do the same with SSDs?

Because they don't die incrementally. Wtih a hard disk you'll get bad sectors, growing slowly over time. Or a head crash and then it's all dead.

What could cause an entire SSD to die at once? I would totally understand bad sectors, but the whole thing at once? Where it doesn't even try to read existing data?

Re:Why I'm usually unnerved when modern SSDs die on us by jclulow on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @11:10AM (#18656266)
One potential cause is poorly constructed drive firmware which fails to account for a minor failure of some kind and crashes. If that unaccounted minor failure is persistent, the firmware may crash constantly and then you'd be unable to access even theoretically good parts of the drive.

Firmware -- undebuggable, unobservable, unfixable software, jammed into your devices -- is the enemy.

Re:Why I'm usually unnerved when modern SSDs die on us by jug on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @11:19AM (#18656335)
Sounds like there is a business opportunist here for open firmware or even one running on the CPU especially for the enterprise? But maybe they won’t bother either despite valuable data and uptime, and just rather throw more redundant SSD’s at the problem.
Re:Why I'm usually unnerved when modern SSDs die on us by someguydave on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @05:33PM (#18659625)
You would need to convince the very small number of Flash memory fabricators to release their detailed specifications and known product weaknesses.
Re:Why I'm usually unnerved when modern SSDs die on us by ryanmercer on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @11:56AM (#18656660)
>What could cause an entire SSD to die at once?

A component failing? Electrical components fail. Sometimes it's a manufacturing defect, sometimes a design defect, sometimes something under or over-volted and it was enough to cause damage to any given component.

Could be an IC, could be a capacitor, could be a poorly laid trace. A poorly shielded RF source could even damage any number of components.

I mean, in theory a single high charge particle from that rare cosmic ray that reaches the surface of earth running full-steam-ahead through an IC could cause just the right amount of damage to make it fail although this would be an incredibly improbable scenario.

Same goes for HDDs, televisions, your clock radio, whatever.

Re:Why I'm usually unnerved when modern SSDs die on us by marcosdumay on Tuesday December 11, 2018 @12:08PM (#18656751)
> What could cause an entire SSD to die at once?

SSD has a problem in that almost every failure case looks more like a head-scratch than a bad sector.

Even the most local problem that is excessive writing on a sector can take the entire chip down.

Re:Why I'm usually unnerved when modern SSDs die on us by vokep on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @07:14PM (#18668831)
There's a single wire in all computers, for some reason they always just have to include it, which if severed will completely disable the computer, as in, it won't even turn on, not even try to turn on.

That wire is the one delivering power. Point being, while things are so complicated that you often can have a lot going on and still try things, there are still single points of failure that can never be fully covered.