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Re:Prions, Nearly Indestructible and Universally Lethal, See... by dahfizz on Monday December 10, 2018 @12:37PM (#18649584)
> If there were a respiratory prion disease that could be much different.

Not really. The point your parent is making is that prions themselves don't reproduce like viruses and bacteria. Its basically impossible for a large scale breakout to occur and spread.

Re:Prions, Nearly Indestructible and Universally Lethal, See... by ergothus on Monday December 10, 2018 @02:38PM (#18650558)
Can you explain why? I'm not saying this is wrong, but they definitely replicate (by encountering and warping other proteins), so are you (and grandparent) saying that the replication rate is too slow? If so, why? Are you saying we have no means of transmitting proteins? (that sounds wrong, though I've been wrong before)

From my (ignorant, despite being interested in prions for decades now) perspective, you have something that (1) can replicate, (2) is durable (3) is harmful, and only the relative rarity of prions in general (because 1 and 3 are physically unusual to combine) have kept them from being a general problem. As we tinker with DNA and thus look into creating new proteins and factors that would influence protein-folding, I'd think it's worth taking the matter seriously (though not fear-mongering), certainly as part of our need to understand proteins better anyway.

What are my faulty assumptions?

Re:Prions, Nearly Indestructible and Universally Lethal, See... by PeterisP on Monday December 10, 2018 @03:13PM (#18650837)
A prion can't arbitrary replicate from "food" or "host", its replication is more like a damaged version of protein X that can damage that same protein X if it encounters it. In many aspects it stays the same protein - the exact same DNA, the exact same sequence, just folded differently.

A virus can overtake a cell and mobilize its resources to create a bajillion copies of that virus. A prion can transform only as much copies of that protein as that cell has made in its normal processes.

Re:Prions, Nearly Indestructible and Universally Lethal, See... by ergothus on Monday December 10, 2018 @04:17PM (#18651234)
A bacteria replicates at a much smaller rate than a virus.

A virus requires a cell to replicate, bacteria require a much more limited range of hospitable environments.

Both bacteria and viruses "attempt" to create exact copies, just as a prion does. Admittedly prion replication probably has more accuracy, but that prions occur at all indicates the process allows for natural selection.

These don't seem to put prions outside of the "replication" category - they replicate by encountering other proteins, so they are in a body. Their rate of replication is limited (or boosted) by the rate of encountering these proteins. They attempt to create copies of themselves with the chance of failure or different end result.

Re:Prions, Nearly Indestructible and Universally Lethal, See... by DennisP on Monday December 10, 2018 @02:35PM (#18650542)
But they do reproduce, by causing other proteins to misfold. If they didn't reproduce at all, then ingesting a few prions wouldn't cause any problems.

They can't reproduce outside of the body, but neither can viruses.

Re:Prions, Nearly Indestructible and Universally Lethal, See... by jamiek88 on Monday December 10, 2018 @03:38PM (#18650999)
Yes but they can only warp their own specific kind of protein not take over an entire reproductive ability of the native cell.

It’s orders of magnitude less reproduction.