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Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by jeffdavis on Thursday December 06, 2018 @02:26PM (#18621201)
I think you're missing the point: it is a ban.

When poliicians pass laws though, there are often unintended consequences. Good politicians will intentionally create loopholes out of humility, realizing that they don't understand the entire issue and how it will affect everyone.

If the loopholes are too big, then thr policy will be ineffective and they will either need to tighten the loophole later, or scrap the whole policy as unworkable.

Do you think the ban is ineffective? Are there hordes of unhappy German citizens drawing 60% of their salary because they are unable to find better work without violating the non-compete? And tons of greedy companies making zillions of euros by paying people to not work?

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by lovich on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:02PM (#18621570)
>it is a ban

It literally is not a ban since it is allowed, and for less than the full compensation the employee would receive by working.

I am not discussing the efficacy as I haven't seen any numbers on how many non-competes are in effect in Germany. I am discussing the ethics of it

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by jeffdavis on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:41PM (#18622000)
I am making a practical argument and you are making an ethical/moral argument of it.

But for your argument to be complete I think you need at least some example of someone doing something unethical or wrong because of the policy. The policy exists today so hypothetical arguments fall a bit flat.

To illistrate my point, consider that it is legal (as far as I can tell -- not a lawyer) to walk around in California with a sword as long as it's neither concealed nor being brandished. But it doesn't make sense to argue that the lack of a law against carrying a sword is unethical because of what people might do. Theoretically people might do horrible things while carrying a sword; but empirically they do not, because few people even have swords, fewer still walk around with them, and approximately zero deaths result from it.

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by lovich on Thursday December 06, 2018 @07:40PM (#18624063)
There are people on non competes that are not being compensated with the full salary they would have been getting. To me that is unethical.

It is not a hypothetical situation, unless you are trying to claim that no company anywhere is using a non compete, in which case I just need to pull up the associated paperwork for pretty much every offer letter I've gotten. Alternatively I can go and poll just my social circle and compile the list of non competes.

Anything less than the full salary is unethical to me, and I'm partial to arguments that it should be more as the employee under the non compete is losing out on career growth and raises

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by darkarmani on Friday December 07, 2018 @10:21AM (#18628347)
> There are people on non competes that are not being compensated with the full salary they would have been getting. To me that is unethical.

They are also making that money while doing nothing.

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by lovich on Monday December 10, 2018 @12:37AM (#18645477)
They are not making money while doing nothing. They are making money by not using their knowledge, so that their previous employer can prevent other entrants into their market from benefiting from said employees skills.