Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration
by nemothekid on Thursday December 06, 2018 @02:23PM
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It's also hard. Despite the complaints of Google dominance, Chrome is just a really good browser.
I tried to switch to Firefox Quantum earlier this year as my daily driver. I had some minor annoyances, but I ended up switching back to Chrome for the devtools.
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration
by techsupporter on Thursday December 06, 2018 @02:49PM
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Web dev tools are something I have to take people's word for (and, to be clear, have no reason to doubt) since I don't do that kind of work so I have no clue what makes for good tools versus bad ones. But, my overall point still stands: If this is such a major failing in Firefox, is there nobody passionate enough to help keep a browser--that lots of people claim to want to use but for those tools--up to par with the competition?
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration
by rebelwebmaster on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:08PM
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Firefox' devtools live in GitHub these days and can be patched without needing to build Firefox. I'm sure they'd welcome contributions from passionate developers.
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration
by bnastic on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:35PM
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The original “wow!” development tool for Firefox wasn’t event developed by them, if I recall correctly - Firebug was just an extension, developed by one guy, but the extendion system and developers’ interest in platform were in place
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration
by KamBha on Thursday December 06, 2018 @07:13PM
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I use Firefox day in and day out and the only time I have found myself using Chrome is when I have to do profiling and even then that is because profiling tools in all browsers kinda sucks.
I have often wondered what is the killer feature that Chrome dev tools has that Firefox does not that forces people to switch back to Chrome as this seems to be a common refrain and while I don't work on the dev tools I sometimes wonder what awesome feature I am missing in Chrome...
In some cases, I actually find Chrome lacking. For example, the ability to see what events are attached to a dom element.
DISCLAIMER: I do not work on the developer tools for Chrome or Firefox and don't do much CSS.
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration
by pkasting on Thursday December 06, 2018 @02:38PM
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Chromium is open-source too, so if there's problems with it, our hope is that people come contribute and fix them.
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration
by kiriakasis on Thursday December 06, 2018 @07:00PM
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But that is not the point. Chromium is a very very nice browser and it is better for everyone (Chromium included) is it is not the only one.
Yep, the same can be said for Firefox. There are hundreds of threads with hundreds of comments on places like Hacker News and Reddit and Ars Technica, all grousing about how Google is the behemoth that is taking over, Chrome is bloated and slowing down and e-mails all of your personal bits to Google, oh woe shouldn't there be a equal competitor in the market, blah, blah...
But too few people actually put their clicking where their talking is and switch to any other browser. People seem hardwired to say "yeah I know it sucks but I want to use Google and thus I want to use Chrome."
Far fewer people with software development skills--that I sorely lack--bother to contribute to Firefox (or, heaven forbid, Thunderbird) development to fix those problems.
Meanwhile, I hug Firefox just a little bit closer every year, wondering if this year is the year that the project fails or simply stops moving forward or whatever. I'm thrilled that companies like Privacy, Krypt.co, and even Capital One still make Firefox extensions and I use them daily. But for how long, when every technology-oriented person on the planet seems hell-bent on using Chrome, outcomes be damned?