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Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by ridiculous_fish on Thursday December 06, 2018 @12:53PM (#18620349)
There's a crucial difference between "working on the code base" and having commit access. The committers are the gatekeepers and the steamrollers.

What I'm effectively asking is this:

1. If Google opts to steer Chromium in a way that the community finds objectionable, could the community stop it?

2. If the community opts to steer Chromium in a way that Google finds objectionable, could Google stop it?

Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by jjgod on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:56PM (#18622131)
In the past, some Opera employees do have commit access to Blink. When I was working on the content layer of Chromium (and some other parts) as an Opera employee I never had commit access, though I do get bug editing access (which is for triaging bugs).

Overall, it doesn't feel like there is a community at all, it's more like Google deciding everything then tell external contributors as a courtesy. I believe there can be technical influences driven by non-Google contributors but that's pretty rare.

That said, perhaps Microsoft can be an exception if their participation is big enough.

Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by bad_user on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:09PM (#18620499)
> "1. If Google opts to steer Chromium in a way that the community finds objectionable, could the community stop it?"

The answer to that is obvious. Of course not.

Google owns Chromium's repository. Even if the "community" decides to fork Chromium, Google owns Chrome, so any fork of Chromium is completely irrelevant. That's because people download and install Chrome and not obscure Chromium forks.

And that is why web standards are important ;-)

Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by VoxPelli on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:18PM (#18620574)
“Obscure Chromium forks” – like Samsung Internet and Edge?

Remember: Chromium itself is an “obscure fork” of WebKit...

Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by bad_user on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:27PM (#18620658)
>> "“Obscure Chromium forks” – like Samsung Internet and Edge?"

Yes, exactly like those two.

>> "Remember: Chromium itself is an “obscure fork” of WebKit..."

Actually when Google forked WebKit, Chrome wasn't obscure at all. But yes, that's the perfect proof that Google doesn't want to cooperate when they aren't pulling the strings.

Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by ash_gti on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:29PM (#18620674)
Don't forget Opera is a re-skinned Chrome.
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by bad_user on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:37PM (#18620750)
Right, at which point Opera too became completely irrelevant.

First they switched their engine to Blink, then predictably after 3 years sold out to an obscure Chinese private equity fund.

Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by gsnedders on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:53PM (#18622109)
I mean it's re-skinned in the same way as Samsung Internet and I believe Edge will be: a totally different browser UI implementation around the same browser engine.
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by VoxPelli on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:24PM (#18622985)
Samsung Internet has their own implementations of quite a few web standards - calling it a reskin isn’t very accurate
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by VoxPelli on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:09PM (#18620496)
Yeah, but if many people are working on the browser code and those people don’t like what Google is doing anymore, then they individually or collectively could fork the code, just like Google forked their engine from WebKit when they wanted to move in a different direction than apple
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by nojvek on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:34PM (#18622482)
If google is a jerk to Microsoft, you can always fork. That is the beauty of open source software. The destiny is in your hands if you’re willing to put in the work.
Re:Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration by pcwalton on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:21PM (#18620604)
1. No.

2. Yes.