Re:Tesla's giant battery saved $40M during its first year, r...
by gkfasdfasdf on Thursday December 06, 2018 @12:45PM
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This sounds alarming, but one difference I think is that a lithium batteries are not fuel in the sense that they are consumed immediately like gas/diesel. Of course they have a limited lifespan, but I read elsewhere that lithium batteries can be partially recycled for raw materials.
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Re:Tesla's giant battery saved $40M during its first year, r...
by knodi123 on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:20PM
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Lithium is an element. What happens to lithium batteries over time that makes the lithium no longer lithiumish enough?
Re:Tesla's giant battery saved $40M during its first year, r...
by taeric on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:55PM
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I'm also curious on this. My understanding is that common computer li-ion batteries basically expire after a few years. Whether you use them or not. Sorta sucks, as I used to buy spare batteries for laptops. Turned out, the spares would be as bad as the worn out one in the computer.
Re:Tesla's giant battery saved $40M during its first year, r...
by vel0city on Friday December 07, 2018 @10:14AM
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The anodes and cathodes of the cells tend to acquire a film of lithium and electrolyte oxides which reduce the coulombic efficiency of the cells, i.e. it makes it harder for the electrons to interface between the anodes and cathodes. I don't see a reason why we cannot extract the lithium from old cells for reuse, other than economic efficiencies of fresh lithium supply versus the cost of sorting, unpacking, and extracting from old batteries.
Re:Tesla's giant battery saved $40M during its first year, r...
by usrusr on Thursday December 06, 2018 @02:42PM
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> lithium batteries are not fuel
I really hope that this is not exactly what the desperate end of the disposal chain will look like once it is fully formed.
Re:Tesla's giant battery saved $40M during its first year, r...
by Zenst on Thursday December 06, 2018 @12:54PM
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Yes, a big plus for lithium. However, demand and usage will only increase need for lithium out in the field and that could prove a bumpy curve and with all resources of a finite amount, we hit a plateau. Question is, will demand outstrip supply or will supply manage to maintain a pace that stays at least equal to that demand. It is with this in mind, that I call it the new oil.
Re:Tesla's giant battery saved $40M during its first year, r...
by ericd on Thursday December 06, 2018 @02:38PM
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You can evaporate sea water to get it. For now, seems functionally infinite.