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Re:Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial offic... by gowld on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:09PM (#18614095)
USA will go to a foreign country and topple their government for violating US business interests (not laws). Being an American might be OK, but America isn't a beacon for citizens of other countries.
Re:Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial offic... by briandear on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:27AM (#18615875)
> but America isn't a beacon for citizens of other countries.

“Most of all, America passes the critical gate test. Open the gate and see where people go — in or out. This is still the country people flock to.”

— George Will, 1992

“We are the ally of the US not because they are powerful, but because we share their values. I am not surprised by anti-Americanism; but it is a foolish indulgence. For all their faults and all nations have them, the US are a force for good; they have liberal and democratic traditions of which any nation can be proud. I sometimes think it is a good rule of thumb to ask of a country: are people trying to get into it or out of it? It’s not a bad guide to what sort of country it is.”

— Tony Blair, 2003

When there are people camped outside of the Chinese, Polish, French or Serbian embassies waiting to apply for immigrant visas, then maybe I might agree that the US isn’t a beacon. However, reality is that more people want to emmigrate to the US compared to every single other country in the world. That seems like the very definition of beacon to me. Perhaps the British aren’t clamoring to move to the US, but citizens of many other countries are. The US does have faults, but if you dig deep enough into any country, there are faults. The US is just a popular target for hatred because nobody in the media really gets worked up over the policies of Denmark or Uruguay. Nobody could probably even name a single person extradited by Canada to a non-US country, but it happens every day, but since it’s the CFO of a major corporation, it’s big news and somehow the narrative is being proffered that the US is acting in some exceptional way here.

Re:Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial offic... by TheAlchemist on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:09AM (#18616250)
Those quotes actually prove this point. People want to be American because they know USA is great for its citizens, not so much for others.
Re:Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial offic... by ebcode on Thursday December 06, 2018 @05:54AM (#18616952)
When the Roman Empire found Jesus and slowly devolved into the Roman Catholic Church over the next thousand years, its "war on paganism" spread throughout Europe and Asia, with a death toll that is hard to estimate, but easily in the millions if you add up all the crusades and inquisitions.

Unsurprisingly, many pagans chose to convert to Christianity, rather than be murdered on the spot.

So maybe we can stop using this word "beacon", and use something more appropriate. How about "fortress"?

Re:Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial offic... by yesforwhat on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:42PM (#18615477)
> USA will go to a foreign country and topple their government for violating US business interests (not laws).

I, too remember the cold war. I don't see this happening today.

Re:Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial offic... by richardknop on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:26AM (#18615873)
I mean Syria, Libya, Iraq are some recent examples. There could also be a discussion about Ukraine and how much did US help to topple the government there but that is a more speculative example. The middle eastern examples are quite clear cut. I do agree US is doing this less than during the cold war.
Re:Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial offic... by yesforwhat on Friday December 07, 2018 @04:52AM (#18626317)
The US toppled Syria for violating US business interests, did I get that right?

When did Assad get overthrown, and why? And how? Very confusing comment.

Re:Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial offic... by richardknop on Friday December 07, 2018 @05:03AM (#18626372)
Assad getting overthrown was related to the big geopolitical confrontation with Russia (cold war has never really ended fyi). It was a move against Putin, trying to cut off his ally, as well as secure new pipeline to Europe to damage Russia economically.

Currently Germany, the largest EU economy, is dependent on Russian natural gas. Once you cut that dependency, Russia will get weaker and more isolated, which is in national interest of US I assume. US is also trying to make Germany less dependent on Russia so they can put on more pressure on Russian economy without damaging Germany's economy.

Google is your friend, there were plans for the Iran–Iraq–Syria natural gas pipeline and Putin intervened to stop the project as it was against Russian national interest. Also don't forget about Russian military base in Syria, getting rid of that in the process would be an added bonus from US point of view.

I did not specify business interests exclusively btw. It could be business interests or national interests (or combination of both, often when a country pursues regime change as a part of national interest, there are private companies that make profit).

Governments do not get toppled only for economical benefit, often it's mainly because of geopolitics, see cold war, both US and Russia were toppling over governments and installing puppet regimes in various countries as part of their fight for dominance. Economic/business interests are secondary most of the time.

Reasons for overthrowing Gaddafi were iffy at best also (I'd would actually like to turn the table and let you explain it to me, because I haven't heard any valid reason why we randomly started bombing Syria).

I'm not familiar with any important economic interests there, although they produce some oil and export it mainly to Europe (but it's small potatoes). So I'd assume it was geopolitics again, maybe Gaddafi was friend of Putin also.

Syria now is a complete mess with different local strongmen and terrorist groups competing for power, there's basically a constant state of anarchy and violence so I don't see how you can argue it was a good idea.