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Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by keypusher on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @05:13AM (#18607004)
Oath is desperate to put more ads on Tumblr, because they massively overpaid for it ($1 billion) and have been throwing money at it ever since (100s of millions). I guess because of the way the content is displayed they can't just segregate nsfw stuff into a demonetized stream, but if they think they can turn Tumblr into a mainstream site that shows family-centric ads, they clearly don't understand what they bought.
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by AJ007 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:47AM (#18607729)
This is clearly Tumblr's Digg moment. They are going to have a 100% write down on this one.

It is also worth adding Twitter has built a reasonable ad business and they are full of just as much porn as Tumblr. Google actually shows ads for porn and other adult services on their platform. If any of the higher ups at Verizon are reading this:

- Fire everyone involved in the NSFW filtering. Clearly this wasn't even tested.

- Fire everyone who thought NSFW material had to be purged from your platform.

There is a short window where you can reverse the decision and benefit from all of the people who were reminded Tumblr existed. After that window closes, your business is dead.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by jamesholden on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:03AM (#18608216)
- Fire everyone who thought NSFW material had to be purged from your platform.

I mean, can't they see that a lot of traffic flows through tumblr via those interests? Do they not know how much of a loss of usage that this will cause? I legitimately have zero other reason to use tumblr.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by JulianMorrison on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:35AM (#18608494)
On the contrary, it's probably a small part of their service. The nature of Tumblr is to make it easy to find like minded people, and construct a subset of the site that's full of what you're into. So it's very easy to feel "Tumblr is all left-wing teens" or "Tumblr is all porn" depending on what you go looking for. But Tumblr is a galaxy of niches and I doubt porn was their mainstay. This fact probably caused them to underestimate the disruptive effect of banning it.
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by soundwave106 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @10:41AM (#18609204)
Actually, I more tend to agree with this article (https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/18/tumblr-is-not-what-you-thi...) that a big part of the appeal of Tumblr was a bit more the opposite of this: Tumblr could act as a personal microblog of sorts, where you could put up a page that wasn't very easily discoverable, and share with a few friends interests and memes that you didn't want to necessarily broadcast to the world in full Facebook fashion. That includes people's porn stashes, as well as NSFW kinks and other quirks. Other stuff too (memes etc.), but the NSFW was a significant part of Tumblr.

Furthermore, my impression of Tumblr was that it had quite a bit of artists. Most artist-oriented platforms have policies that aim at banning the more overt commercial pornography, while allowing artistic nudity or erotica with appropriate tags (see DeviantArt, Vimeo, etc.) I was actually quite surprised that Tumblr didn't try this route at first to be honest. From what I can tell the "adult content ban" Tumblr implemented is way overly broad-based, not to mention very US-moral attitude centric (eg "female presenting nipples" is less of a big deal in many countries).

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by JulianMorrison on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @10:58AM (#18609399)
The way you find content in Tumblr is (1) you somehow find one example of the type, perhaps from an outside link or a search, (2) you click the content and find who liked it, (3) you go to each of their blogs and if it has content you're into, you follow it. Iterate until you've connected to the entire like-minded community.

This is why I described it as a galaxy of niches. It provides a sort of discoverable obscurity that makes connecting to signal rather than noise rather easy.

It's also what makes it hard to see beyond your own niche if you don't actually own the servers.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by thetricia on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:58AM (#18610073)
I'm not a big fan of this meme of porn being bigger than what it is. Tumblr was never about that and Snapchat wasn't and isn't a sexting app.

The adult content that showed up was pretty annoying, especially on some tags that were seemingly less censored. Like, most LGBT tags were clean, but some would have a lot for whatever reason. I'd welcome the change back then (which was around acquisition time). But even then it was apparent Tumblr's odds of becoming anything other than another diary/blog graveyard weren't great.

Tumblr occasionally banning thinspo blogs was probably much more of an "attack" on the core user base. Not by numbers but in spirit.

edit: and for the record I'm not especially talking about parent's comment, not sure why i picked this one, mostly agree with it

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by gmmeyer on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @04:39PM (#18612866)
Last time Tumblr broke out the numbers porn was 11% of the biggest blogs. More than 1 out of 10 blogs is a porn blog. That's a huge portion of their user base and will likely cause it to totally crash.
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by thetricia on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @05:42PM (#18613462)
As long as the overlap with regular users is small there's no reason for why that would cascade [0].

That kind of content is usually banned/censored on most mainstream services, just letting it be will get you a non-insignificant number. I've seen people claim 3% for twitter, no clue if true or not, but few would say that about Twitter here. Too many people in tech are in the core user-base to fall for this.

[0] unless shut down this will be a loooong slow death no matter what happens. I still have a semi popular account on one of the dead sites of the era. Everybody knows it's dead but these communities are a bit like families, hard to completely ghost them.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by hinkley on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @12:44PM (#18610539)
I agree with the diagnoses of “not tested” and here’s why:

They should have been running this filter for months tagging content but not revealing the decision. Auditing the results and looking at the statistics.

If the filter is being overzealous then shouldn’t the stats show that a lot of NSFW material is on the site and that it gets traffic?

So then why pull the trigger anyway? Empire building? Bureaucracy?

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by jaxtellerSoA on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @08:49AM (#18608121)
>This is clearly Tumblr's Digg moment.

Hit the nail on the head with that one. Digg and Tumblr should get together and write a blog "How to lose your entire user base in 1 day."

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by jsjohnst on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:53AM (#18607769)
> They are going to have a 100% write down on this one.

They already did that (the goodwill portion anyway) in 2016 before selling to Verizon.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2016/07/18/yahoo-r...

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by protomyth on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @10:09AM (#18608822)
Fire everyone involved in the NSFW filtering. Clearly this wasn't even tested.

This is the part I really don't understand. Wouldn't you do a test run through their site and do some checking? You cannot claim you don't have examples available.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by hinkley on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @12:51PM (#18610625)
Image analysis takes time. You’d have X servers to deal with new images and either a whole lot more to catch up on the back catalog or more simply just soft launch weeks or months ahead of time.

I hope whoever is in charge of quality just had a coup instead of being blamed for this.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by protomyth on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @01:21PM (#18610933)
Sure it takes time, but before the public ever sees anything, I just have a tough time believing they didn't test it on the inventory of images (or at least a large subset) before inflicting it on the public. Improper testing is a PR embarrassment and has real consequences.
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by JulianMorrison on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:34AM (#18607645)
To me it feels like a "management removed the free snacks" moment. Doesn't affect me directly, but what it says about how things are changing makes me think "doomed in very short order".
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by wolfgke on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:13AM (#18609551)
> Oath is desperate to put more ads on Tumblr, because they massively overpaid for it ($1 billion) and have been throwing money at it ever since (100s of millions).

OK, but where is the problem with NSFW content (which is quite different from porn) for this?

I know, I am German, where there is quite a different mentality with this respect (in my hometown I have even seen openly posted bills for a big porn exhibition in Berlin in the past and nobody (except for the churches) was upset).

I can understand that many brands do not want their ads placed next to porn. But where is the problem with other NSFW content?

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by nopriorarrests on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:55AM (#18610046)
Ask any marketer from a large brand (such a BMW or Adidas) -- their "brand safety" rules are very strict, and any kind of NSFW is a big no-no. Its not just hardcore porn.
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by fjsolwmv on Thursday December 06, 2018 @09:36AM (#18618326)
Advertisers like sexiness but don't like porn because they want their customer base to stay frustrated and chase satisfaction via materialist comsumption. It's a blend of Puritan work ethic with soulless corporate exploitation.
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by wolfgke on Friday December 07, 2018 @09:02AM (#18627669)
> and chase satisfaction via materialist comsumption.

Sounds like porn to me. ;-)

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by xnyan on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:54AM (#18610028)
Strong puritanical roots in the united states, pervasive throughout society.
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by netcan on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @06:43AM (#18607412)
Corporate sensibilities and media...

This isn't a new issue. Media like to be edgy, contraversy provacative. Corporate sensibilities is allergic to scandal or contraversy, especially of the "public morals" type.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by Eric_WVGG on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:21AM (#18608374)
nitpick: Yahoo paid $1 billion for Tumblr; Verizon/Oauth paid $5 billion for Yahoo, and it’s a bit difficult to guess how much of that is Tumblr.

(IMO they paid billions of dollars for the privilege of being the email provider for my parents.)

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by criddell on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:25AM (#18608408)
> they clearly don't understand what they bought.

I think they know exactly what they bought. They are going to see if they can change Tumblr. If that succeeds, great! If not, shut it down.

I bet the price of Yahoo including Tumblr and the price of Yahoo excluding Tumblr was more or less the same number.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by mcintyre1994 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:09AM (#18608262)
> have been throwing money at it ever since (100s of millions)

Does it actually cost 100s of millions to run? They don't seem to be actively developing it or really doing anything with it other than banning all its content.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:24AM (#18608399)
Reddit seem to be mainstreaming to some extent, nowhere near this though - perhaps they're navigating a better line?
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by justtopost on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:03AM (#18609454)
Idk, I was no longer an active user when they did their user hostile redesign after lots of internal political struggle between conde nast and the volunteer mods that actually run the site. But sweet baby jesus is it bad now. While I used to drop by when linked in a relevant search query, i now know Ill just get a nagware screen and skip it altoghether. Yeah, I know I can switch to desktop mode and reload, but no thanks, I already got your message to me loud and clear. They did at least change more slowly, with gradual trimming of offensive content, and a better subbreddit containment system for those they are allowing to stay for now.
Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by razakel on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @05:10PM (#18613160)
>Yeah, I know I can switch to desktop mode and reload, but no thanks, I already got your message to me loud and clear.

When a third-party developer can make a more user-friendly and less crash-prone app than your official one, it might be worth considering that maybe your official app sucks.

Re:Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everyt... by Latteland on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:03AM (#18615794)
Gaah! Yahoo bought Tumblr, Oath/aol/verizon stupidly bought Yahoo for some reason. So Oath is desperate to put more ads on the hunk of junk that was Yahoo. But Oath should be concerned about all the other messy things they bought as Yahoo Inc.