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Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by dragonwriter on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:25PM (#18604765)
> Except cars, for some reason.

There's fairly strict rules on what public space can be used for that, and by whom, and in what manner; it's not a free for all.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by vkou on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:54PM (#18604882)
Those rules are incredibly generous with how they allocate incredibly valuable real estate to cars, often for the price of free.

If every other block has enough room on the curb, for 30 cars to be parked for free, then surely, there should be room for one or two scooters to do the same.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by Retric on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @08:34PM (#18605074)
Tragedy of the commons is a significant issue. So, if land owners allocate space for them that’s fine. But it’s not legal to leave random junk in public spaces because there is simply not enough space for everyone to be doing this with anything.

Further, public parking is rarely free, it’s being payed for somone and often that’s not the city.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by matt4077 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @04:01AM (#18606705)
public Parking is free almost anywhere but in in city centers, and it occupies one third of a typical, residential street.

It’s the travesty of the commons.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by dragonwriter on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @04:14AM (#18606769)
> public Parking is free almost anywhere but in in city centers, and it occupies one third of a typical, residential street.

And is still regulated, though enforcement tends often to be complaint based, rather than active patrol. Leave a vehicle a few days with moving it and someone complains and it gets tagged and, if left a little while longer, towed as abandoned.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by geezerjay on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @01:47AM (#18606180)
> If every other block has enough room on the curb, for 30 cars to be parked for free, then surely, there should be room for one or two scooters to do the same.

That's pretty much irrelevant as the business model of these scooter services is based on the concept of riders dropping them off wherever they feel like it.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by matt4077 on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @03:57AM (#18606689)
A’right! Give me two lanes o& reserved storag3 space on every road and I’ll never leave them on the sidewalk again.
Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by pavel_lishin on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @09:16PM (#18605233)
Yes, there should be. But currently, there isn't.

I can't just throw my bicycle on the sidewalk in front of my office when I get there, either, right?

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by metildaa on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:08PM (#18605406)
Hmm? Its not uncommon for there to be freely usable bike racks on most city streets. I see them all over Seattle, predating bikeshares by years in most cases.
Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by AlexandrB on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:28PM (#18605482)
Right, so when Bird funds some scooter racks and starts ensuring their scooter are stored there, cities will stop impounding them. In the meantime it's like if I left my bike in the middle of the sidewalk somewhere - if it doesn't get stolen, I can expect it to get cleaned up by some other means.

Edit: While writing another comment it occurred to me that these scooters are exactly like the shopping carts you see abandoned around stores. Either the stores collect them or the city does - but either way they're basically large bits of litter for anyone not in need of a shopping cart at the moment.

I'm sure Bird wouldn't appreciate this analogy, because it's deeply unsexy.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by lambdadmitry on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @05:48AM (#18607176)
I'm surprised by how brazen they are. Why Bird doesn't get fined for that?
Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by pavel_lishin on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:56AM (#18608692)
> Its not uncommon for there to be freely usable bike racks on most city streets

Exactly. Specific places to put your bike. Not just a random spot on the sidewalk.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by vageli on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:20PM (#18605452)
This is one method of getting laws changed.
Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by dragonwriter on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:48PM (#18605551)
Donating scooters to the city under the current laws isn't particularly effect give method of getting the laws changed.
Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by TeMPOraL on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @03:29AM (#18606556)
Paying the city through impounded scooters would probably be close to the top least cost-effective lobbying method ever.
Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by michaelt on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @04:25AM (#18606814)
I think cities have wised up since AinBnB and Uber that saying “we’ll wait and see” while the corporation gets strong is not a winning strategy for regulators.

If getting hundreds of scooters impounded and auctioned off is a good strategy for Bird, their business strategy is too subtle for me to follow.

Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by pavel_lishin on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:57AM (#18608694)
Civil disobedience is one thing, corporate disobedience is another.
Re:Convert a Bird Scooter to a personal one with $32 kit by dragonwriter on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:46PM (#18605548)
> If every other block has enough room on the curb, for 30 cars to be parked for free, then surely, there should be room for one or two scooters to do the same.

Then...lobby your city for scooter parking. Car parking is supported because people very much want it, and politicians no there is a cost to not having it.