No, I am saying that handing over immigration decisions to for-profit degree mills will lead to problems. For example, see news about Tri Valley University from few years ago [1].

[1] https://www.mercurynews.com/2011/01/20/tri-valley-university...

You picked one fake mill. There are over 1.1 million foreign graduate students. The foreign degree mill theory is not based on facts, only anecdotes.

Nobody, certainly not me, is disparaging the credentials of immigrant graduates from top American universities. But there exists a long tail of Universities, many of them who seem to exist solely as a pathway to fulfillment of the American Dream of immigrat students. See https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/us/international-enrollme...

Consider two statements:

A) Most immigrant graduates are of low caliber.

B) Most immigrants of high caliber have graduate degrees.

In my experience, both statements are true.

Disclosure: Immigrant, hiring manager at reputed SV company, with UG degree from my home country.

The real question is whether its worth going after the long tail if its an insignificant fraction of incoming immigrants (and really, an insignificant number in total). You have to consider that, in making sure the long tail is taken care of, you risk in making it significantly harder for the rest of the lot to make it through.

My experience has been that the long tail, in aggregate, form a large segment of the immigrant graduate population. I already stated this in my previous comment as statement A.

Your experience does not the reality maketh. Statiscally, immigration fraud through this route is uncommon.

> Statiscally, immigration fraud through this route is uncommon.

Citation needed.

Sure. Provide anecdotes for justifying your worldview but demand citations from others. That seems totally fair and not hypocritical at all.

In any case, here you go: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unautho...

I narrated my experience, cited two links, and you go "that doesn't make reality, statistics say...". So I ask for said stats. What is amusing about that?

You then come back with an article titled "Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: January 2014", when the discussion here is about students gaming legal immigration. What relevance does that have to the topic, again?

You provided 2 news articles about 2 specific incidents. None of the news stories that you link to provide any indication whatsoever that students game the legal immigration system whatsoever. The document I cited gives specific numbers of authorized v/s unauthorized immigrants giving an idea of the scales we're talking about.

Its pretty clear that you've made up your mind about what the state of the world is (from various anecdata) and don't really care what the statistics really say. I will leave this as my last comment about this issue.