Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy

Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by kevin_b_er on Friday November 30, 2018 @03:42PM (#18572446)

Intel would do well to be wary. AMD already gave away all their IP to their new CPUs to the Chinese government with the Dhyana cpus.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by gscott on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:17PM (#18572701)

AMD gave away the farm but the money (I think 300 million) saved the company. All of this new innovation from AMD certainly arises from that money. Now however China has easier access to CPU's to build new supercomputer's find find ways to nuke the USA in new novel ways.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by ethbro on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:13PM (#18573202)

> All of this new innovation from AMD certainly arises from that money.

Just to be clear:

Zen microarch design work started circa-2012. The USD$300m deal was circa-4/2016.

It's accurate to say the capital from the deal likely helped AMD finalize, produce, and distribute Zen / Epyc.

But the microarchitecture design innovation predated the cash infusion.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by CathayRe on Saturday December 01, 2018 @07:49AM (#18576550)

>It's accurate to say the capital from the deal likely helped AMD finalize, produce, and distribute Zen / Epyc.

It didn't, it just gave a pass / access to Alibaba and Tencent as well as other Government related project to use AMD CPU.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by ethbro on Saturday December 01, 2018 @02:29PM (#18578426)

We're not talking about the same thing. You're talking about the deal, I'm talking about what AMD did with the cash from the deal.

Look at their balance sheet, and note that without the $300M infusion, the market would have been spooked by their debt levels.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AMD/cash-flow?p=AMD

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by mtgx on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:01PM (#18573535)

Amd also gave away the GPU farm when it made a similar deal with Intel. Both are shortsighted.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by jaas on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:23PM (#18573687)

AMD delivered completed physical GPU components to Intel, which Intel then stuck next to their CPUs. They didn't give Intel anything Intel couldn't get by walking over to MicroCenter.

(So far as I know anyway)

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by imtringued on Friday November 30, 2018 @08:06PM (#18574286)

Yes, what AMD did was basically give intel a dedicated GPU die with HBM which was then glued on the same package as the CPU.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by Nomentatus on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:39PM (#18572910)

I believe only for local use, not export outside China.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by stjohnswarts on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:31AM (#18575556)

I think the whole point is that the Chinese government will buy (if allowed) or steal the IP (if not allowed) without compunction or care about agreements.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by Nomentatus on Saturday December 01, 2018 @10:08PM (#18580559)

They weren't allowed the Intel/AMD64 ISA in all the previous years; but didn't steal it - some IP is much harder to get away with stealing than other IP.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by redial on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:02PM (#18573119)

For now.

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Re:Chip wars: China, America and silicon supremacy by Nomentatus on Friday November 30, 2018 @08:29PM (#18574392)

At all, according to the contract. If you're predicting a change, I'd love to have more supporting detail.

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