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Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by pgorczak on Friday November 30, 2018 @11:48AM (#18570364)
If you wonder about real world use cases for open source LTE stacks like srsLTE: They’re great for deploying small ad-hoc cells e.g. in vehicular and rescue scenarios like in our work from earlier this year: https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.09262
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by Nokinside on Friday November 30, 2018 @12:12PM (#18570547)
It's estimated that private LTE-networks will become $27 billion market by 2024. That's roughly 330 thousand LTE base stations for private networks.

5G is specially designed this kid of industry in mind, so more advanced applications come in addition to the LTE markets. For example, many factories can replace their physical networks with 5G private networks for automation and robotics.

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by sargun on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:24PM (#18572764)
I haven't read the "5G" 3GPP spec yet. I was super interested in using LTE to replace WiFi in offices, because centralized multiplexing seems like such an attractive approach.
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by josephg on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:12AM (#18575517)
That’s a great idea!

What do you need to connect to a homebrew LTE / 5g network? Can you provision your own SIM cards?

Does anyone know what it would take to configure a dual-sim phone to connect to a local LTE network at home / in the office?

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by fest on Saturday December 01, 2018 @04:47AM (#18576100)
I have tested a device developed by the company I work for on a private LTE network. I was provided SIM cards, which were programmed for their particular network.

In Android devices everything worked as expected. However, none of the iOS devices associated with this network, although the devices did support the LTE band for that network.

Speculation was that there is a PLMN (cellular provider identifier) whitelist in Apple devices, which could not be worked around.

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by 123919239 on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:55AM (#18575623)
Yes you need to burn a SIM card, but that's it basically. srsLTE and other "homebrew" eNodeB software is standards-compliant and your smartphone will most likely connect.

In practice, you need to worry about legal restrictions -- you're not allowed to transmit on common LTE bands.

Not sure how this will actually look in the future. Is the office mobile network physically separated, or do you use the public network with special SIM cards that connect to a virtually separated mobile network?

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by Jhsto on Saturday December 01, 2018 @04:54AM (#18576112)
One idea is that commercial installations rely on unlicensed spectrum (like 6Ghz) to transmit LTE. Check out MuLTEfire for this. As far as I know, there are no LTE base stations transmitting these frequencies available for purchase.

With 5G some countries have also taken into concern a more liberal spectrum policy, which could result in more mobile network operators. One idea follows is that the spectrum would be "oversold" by selling the same frequency to organizations tied to particular cities, for example.

Finally, there is the notion of virtual SIM cards. And as far as I know, alternatively you could also just hack the LTE server to accept each incoming connection (with any SIM) and use a challenge after the Internet connection is established, and then just kick out any device which doesn't send the magic packet.

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by sargun on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:34PM (#18578094)
Yeah, the idea was to use ISM band. The problem was finding MTs that supported these bands. The LTE base station was much easier.

I was hoping 5G had taken this use case into account, and thought to optimize for those bands, or alternatively allow for use of 60 GHz, or something where i can get a local license for usage of that band.

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by 123919239 on Sunday December 02, 2018 @03:19AM (#18581400)
You cannot accept unknown SIM cards due to mutual authentication -- the provider must know the shared secret that is burned into the SIM.

You can achieve network separation APNs, so there is no need for such a hack.

The question I have in mind is: Does your office advertise it's own PLMN with WiFi-like equipment, or do you outsource your office wireless network to an established operator which handles authentication and provides a virtual, separate network?

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by Jhsto on Sunday December 02, 2018 @11:59AM (#18583117)
Oh nice to know the thing about the SIM cards!

Regarding your question, I recall reading a paper which compared both cases: the office owning the whole infrastructure, and one in which it is rented/outsourced to an established MNO. While the paper suggested that both use-cases are plausible, in practice your preference is likely to vary depending on local regulation and use-case (e.g. latency requirements etc.).

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by Nokinside on Saturday December 01, 2018 @02:03PM (#18578269)
5G will have some unlicensed spectrum. There is also LTE-Unlicensed proposal.
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by Jhsto on Friday November 30, 2018 @12:27PM (#18570668)
Interesting research! One question: what would you test given you'd have access to a regulated spectrum?
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by pgorczak on Friday November 30, 2018 @01:12PM (#18571092)
Chiming in from GP: I think mobile setups like base stations mounted on drones or high altitude platforms are really interesting. We’re currently looking at providing cellular connectivity to rescuers and rescuees at sea using a fixed wing drone.
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by jcims on Friday November 30, 2018 @08:44PM (#18574459)
What do you have to do to get a run of the mill android or iphone to work on a network like this?
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by pgorczak on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:38AM (#18575571)
Not much actually. You need to make auth work which means knowing some secrets stored on the SIM card. You can buy your own custom cards or probably use eSIM (however I haven’t tried option 2).
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by AnonymousRider on Friday November 30, 2018 @09:43PM (#18574741)
That is the first question that jumped into mind for me. How is this useful to me now. I assume that the LTE chip in our devices will handshake with these networks seamlessly.
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by pgorczak on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:54AM (#18575620)
They do and pretty reliably. The devs of the srsLTE stack even have this neat CI setup where they test the codebase against commercial hardware: http://www.softwareradiosystems.com/pipermail/srslte-users/2...
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by danellis on Friday November 30, 2018 @01:20PM (#18571180)
In an ad hoc situation like a rescue, what would the backhaul be?
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by fyfy18 on Friday November 30, 2018 @01:57PM (#18571570)
I used to volunteer for a first aid organisation and often we would be providing support for large events like county shows or sports events.

The radios we used were simple VHF radios on licensed frequencies. There was no encryption which meant anyone could listen in, so obviously we weren't allowed to discuss personal details over the radio. Depending on the actual event we may be covering a large area or uneven terrain, so the radios may not always work.

For backhaul we'd either use our phone if we needed to call the emergency services or for larger events we'd have them onsite so they would forward the message on - for example to warn a hospital of an incoming patient (often it was in remote areas where the nearest hospital had limited A&E facilities) or to call an air ambulance.

Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by ralgozino on Friday November 30, 2018 @07:46PM (#18574184)
Huawei's got a portable LTE Network that happens to be just for things like this. They call the technology eLTE (enterprise LTE) and the portable solution rapid eLTE. For backhaul you can use Fiber, Radio, Ethernet or Satellite, pretty much anything. the solution supports sending multimedia over the handys, voice, video, gps and data. They also offer a trunking solution over eLTE.
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by jandrese on Friday November 30, 2018 @01:26PM (#18571247)
Satellite or long haul radio. Or they'll find one of the few remaining working trunk lines and serve it from there.
Re:Show HN: End-to-end LTE example with Docker and emulated ... by arkadiyt on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:13PM (#18572672)
Could someone use this to build an open source Stingray?