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Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by DyslexicAtheist on Friday November 30, 2018 @03:36AM (#18567631)
Step-1: stop idealizing FAANG employees and their contributions to engineering - they are an insult to our profession. Those we are calling elite (and getting paid like it) should know better.

Writing open letters to Google isn't going to change anything. If you still work for Google in 2018 you are a major part of the problem. The only justification for working at FAANG and not protesting against this is if you are there to actively sabotage the company from the inside.

Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by ex-aws-now-goog on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:58AM (#18568201)
By all means, stop idealizing. Learn what you can but please don't idealize anyone or any company.

But I hardly think that I or most of my colleagues are an insult to any discipline. Apple, Amazon and Google each has tens of thousands of engineers (and many more folks if you consider other roles). In most companies, there will be parts of the company engaging in behaviour you disagree with.

Expecting people to resign from company X because some people at company X do bad things is a very black and white way to think about the world.

Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by DyslexicAtheist on Friday November 30, 2018 @08:20AM (#18568830)
taking sides and not cherry picking the positive contributions to society while turning a blind eye to them aiding foreign regimes in committing crimes¹, is not easy to do. And I mean this in the most sincere way possible.

But in the words of Desmond Tutu, "if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor"

¹ Tracking China’s Muslim Gulag: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/muslims-...

Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by ex-aws-now-goog on Friday November 30, 2018 @09:32AM (#18569335)
I am afraid that I missed the link where running a business in China is equivalent to turning a blind eye to their human rights abuses.

There is a spectrum between doing nothing and quitting that falls under "not being neutral in situations of injustice". If our only tool for reforming systems (such as countries or companies) is to abandon them, progress would hardly be possible. Tutu understood this and worked hard to enable reconciliation after Apartheid.

Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by Fins on Friday November 30, 2018 @11:13AM (#18570086)
What if the only (FB) or almost only (Google) purpose of the company is to do bad things?
Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by Buge on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:21AM (#18568291)
> The only justification for working at FAANG and not protesting against this is if you are there to actively sabotage the company from the inside.

Why does Netflix need sabotaging?

Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by thelema666ping on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:32AM (#18568338)
Netflix needs it bcoz they are making lots of crappy serial nowadays...quantity != Quality
Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by paganel on Friday November 30, 2018 @10:02AM (#18569531)
I find the “Haunting of the Hill House” to be really, really good. Not perfect by any means, but definitely above average. I’ve also heard good things about “Casa del papel” and about some of their documentaries. I personally think they’re the best thing that has happened to us movie-buffs in the last 15-20 years, since HBO first started to broadcast shows like “Oz” and “The Sopranos”.

Though I’m pretty sure they do have their blank spots, too, just wanted to say that there’s also quality in their offer.

Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by Buge on Saturday December 01, 2018 @02:36AM (#18575771)
A company making content that you don't enjoy isn't some sort of ethical violation.
Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by jaw2 on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:25AM (#18567831)
Where do you suggest they work instead?
Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by ikeyany on Friday November 30, 2018 @11:18AM (#18570138)
Mozilla? Renewable energy? Medical tech?
Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by DyslexicAtheist on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:45AM (#18567931)
sure they're amply qualified to find a more satisfying job anywhere else (provided they break their own corporate mental conditioning).

those few who can't see it, can always look for a job in a high-street bookstore. The perks include: free access to all books in the ethics section.

Re:Google Shut Out Privacy and Security Teams from Secret Ch... by ionised on Friday November 30, 2018 @07:20AM (#18568554)
Literally anywhere else.