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Re:Programs to Read by jolmg on Thursday November 29, 2018 @11:24AM (#18561364)
So, is wiki.c2.com something that people keep writing on or is it really readonly nowadays? Is there a way to become a member? I just mistakenly signed up to hypothes.is from the right side-bar thinking it was c2.com.
Re:Programs to Read by tabtab on Thursday November 29, 2018 @12:15PM (#18561804)
Ward Cunningham decided to close c2 to new material in part because he got tired of battling a determined vandal who was all bent out of shape over grammer and spailing, and second to try out his new "Federated Wiki" concept. So far, Federated Wiki is a flop in my opinion.

C2 was interesting in that software developers and IT professionals tried to categorize debates and disagreements over software engineering issues. Almost nothing was ever settled, but you got different perspectives. For example, is the "best" software about maximizing economics & psychology (human grokking), or symbolic parsimony? Is it better to hire 5 geniuses or 10 ordinary engineers?

Re:Programs to Read by amyjess on Thursday November 29, 2018 @12:17PM (#18561821)
> Ward Cunningham decided to close c2 to new material in part because he got tired of battling a determined vandal who was all bent out of shape over grammer and spailing

It's honestly pretty upsetting that one vandal is enough to ruin one of the oldest and most significant institutions on the web for everybody.

Re:Programs to Read by tabtab on Thursday November 29, 2018 @12:33PM (#18561944)
Anyone is welcome to restart it. I'm sure he'd give you the raw data files & source code if you asked. (There might already be a copy on github.)
Re:Programs to Read by lozenge on Friday November 30, 2018 @03:07AM (#18567529)
I think it has value as a snapshot archive as well. The article on extreme programming would look quite different today.
Re:Programs to Read by tabtab on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:16PM (#18592483)
The reworked version doesn't show the original indentation of discussion trees, making it harder to read. All bullet points have been flattened to one level, compared to the the original, which showed many levels.
Re:Programs to Read by becca_smth81 on Thursday November 29, 2018 @11:43AM (#18561521)
Seems like it hasn't been updated in a while. Each page has an "last updated" timestamp. The homepage says: "Last edit December 19, 2014". There's also a Github project but hasn't been updated in 2 years: https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling
Re:Programs to Read by fao_ on Thursday November 29, 2018 @11:54AM (#18561625)
Hi, for some reason you're shadowbanned? As a new account I find this really unusual. It's likely you might need to verify your email or something. I've vouched for this comment, which is why it appears.

On Topic: there was a discussion a year ago about what the progress block is: https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling/issues/24

It seems that he's stuck with some files that are mixed-encoding and can't repair them, it's likely the wiki will be read-only until that problem is solved, unfortunately.

Re:Programs to Read by becca_smth81 on Thursday November 29, 2018 @01:36PM (#18562560)
Thank you very much. This is a new account, but I don't know why I'd be banned :/ And why would you be able to see it and not me? :(

On Topic again: c2.com is great, I'd love if someone would take ownership and keep maintaining it.

Re:Programs to Read by mkl on Thursday November 29, 2018 @08:57PM (#18565960)
It's probably because your first comment contains a link, and automated account creation for spamming purposes is unfortunately a thing. The site relies on users with high enough karma clicking a button to vouch for legitimate users to unban accounts (or draw the mods' attention), like what happened to you here.

Hacker News uses shadow-banning, so the person banned for problematic behaviour can't tell and doesn't just switch to a new account.

Re:Programs to Read by hobs on Thursday November 29, 2018 @07:26PM (#18565538)
If you are a registered user, in the FAQ

>In my profile, what does showdead do?

>If you turn it on, you'll see all the stories and comments that have been killed by software, moderators, or user flags.

This is what people refer to when they say shadow/hellbanned.