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Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by clairity on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:01PM (#18554510)
even if you don't relate, other people have different desires and motivations and it's worth trying to understand that (for social harmony at the very least). you seem to want quiet and solitude in public places, but that's just not the norm. rather than distracting, i find cafes ideal places to work, as they have the right amount of low-recognition distraction (unlike home, where things are too quiet and my bed is so inviting).

you also seem to be looking at things negatively. here's an alternate view:

- you don't have to buy something on a timer.

- - get to know the owners/workers, and they'll enjoy your visits, no matter how long. most of the cafes i visit love it when i bring my dog for instance.

- - if a cafe is (nearly) empty, you sitting there provides natural marketing for the cafe in the form of social proof (no one likes being the only person in a business). i usually leave when i notice it getting full so others can enjoy it too, but if it's half empty, i have no qualms staying for a while without the pressure of buying something on a timer.

- stupid conversations are easy to tune out; interesting ones are the hard ones. at the very least, it feeds the superiority complex nicely.

- dogs are bundles of joy and love, and make (most) people happy.

- again, get to know and show interest in the owners/workers and develop rapport with them. they may even give you free stuff.

Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by lotsofpulp on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:55PM (#18555048)
>dogs are bundles of joy and love, and make (most) people happy.

I'm at the point where I would pay extra for businesses and facilities that didn't allow animals. The service animal law is also being used fraudulently by so many people, I just assume it unless I can see the person is blind.

Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by throwaway675309 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @05:48PM (#18556417)
I'd prefer the opposite, businesses that don't allow children. Why can't every place be a bar and/or strip joint?
Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by bistro on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @11:02PM (#18557980)
Come to Seattle. Dogs freaking everywhere. And an unusually high number of restaurants that don't allow children.
Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by barrow-rider on Friday November 30, 2018 @10:22AM (#18569688)
Strip joints with dogs?
Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by mhb on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:32PM (#18555363)
Dogs like to roll and play in filth. They shouldn't be around where people are eating.
Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by clairity on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:46PM (#18555512)
so do children.

keeping dogs away from human eating areas reduces your chances of disease by a negligible amount. you would be much better off requiring everyone to wash their hands and/or disinfect their phones upon entering.

Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by decebalus1 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:54PM (#18555584)
> keeping dogs away from human eating areas reduces your chances of disease by a negligible amount.

Citation needed

Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by clairity on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @06:06PM (#18556533)
zoonotic transmission (transmission between species) is not seen as serious enough by the CDC to even track it. but for comparative purposes, there are 1-2 deaths from rabies per year in the US (and infection is as likely from rodents as anything). so the burden of proof is on the dog cynics.

in any case, the primary transmission concerns are poop and mucus membrane contact. so again, the main thing you need to do is wash your hands with soap (and don't play with poop or make out with the dog).

Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by GarrisonPrime on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @02:59PM (#18555087)
I suspect you intended your comment to be along the lines of "different strokes for different folks", but it pretty strongly came across as "you're weird and wrong; here's the correct way to view things".
Re:How Restaurants Got So Loud by clairity on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @03:25PM (#18555300)
yes, it wasn't meant to make a claim on rightness or wrongness (although i can understand why it might come across that way), but to make a point about perspectives.

and that point was not so much "different strokes for different folks", but "different strokes for the same folks", as we each embody multiple perspectives and our conscious brain can choose among them (a lesson i keep learning over and over).