We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly

Re:We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly by chrisco255 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @11:59AM (#18544043)

[1][2][3] Besides being a revised policy that no longer applies (and yes, policies take time to unwind)...there is no universal human right to emigrate to any country whatsoever. I know a lot of people think so...

but also this pales in comparison to the abuses of existing Chinese nationals by China, taking Muslim property [1], placing citizens in internment camps and abusing them, placing them under "deeply invasive forms of surveillance and psychological stress as they are forced to abandon their native language, religious beliefs and cultural practices" [2], imposing a nationwide social credit system that can deny citizens of China basic access to education, air travel, etc on a whim [3]...

Whatever your thoughts on Trump (besides being off-topic...he's not racist, by the way [4])...he's kept in check by a robust court system, a constitutional republic and the congress itself from imposing the systems listed above on U.S. citizens.

And yes, free speech is the right to say offensive things. There's no reason whatsoever to protect "inoffensive" speech. Yes, free speech (and liberty in general) allows you to be skeptical of the assessment on global climate change. It allows you to question what role if any, our government should have in attempting to control the climate. Sorry you hate liberty, maybe you would prefer if a social credit system imposed punishment on those not pre-disposed to your particular beliefs? If so, then China is looking like a good move for you.

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-m... [2] http://www.tribtown.com/2018/11/26/us-united-states-china-in... [3] https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-p... [4] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/trump-pushes-senate-to-pass-...

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Re:We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly by zimpenfish on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:11PM (#18544178)

> he's not racist, by the way

Literally his first appearance in the NYT was for being a racist asshole - https://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-d...

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Re:We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly by chrisco255 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:35PM (#18544473)

And then he counter-sued the DOJ and then reached a settlement. The disagreement was over welfare applicants. That can be twisted a number of ways, but you can't misconstrue that to imply racism. Landlords (and banks by the way) have a legitimate, financial duty to lease to the most-qualified tenants. When you ignore financial qualifications...you get the 2008 real estate crash.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2186613-realty-compa... https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2186614-trump-promis...

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Re:We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly by lostgame on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:02PM (#18544079)

I'm sorry, but if 'liberty' includes the ability to reserve the right to deny science to continue destroying the entire planet, I'm not sure I can support it.

Sounds like liberty for humans, and not for the planet, which we have to live on.

What's the point in free speech if we destroy the place we live in? Who will be left to speak?

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Re:We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly by chrisco255 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:40PM (#18544527)

Yeah, and if the climate scientists are as wrong as nutritionists were about fats [1][2]...then what? We destroy the world economy for the wrong reason? In ANY complex system, there are trade offs for every choice. And would you starve a billion people to save the planet? Would you quadruple oil prices to cut emissions...hurting the poorest in the process? The point of free speech is that we DEBATE things like this so we can TRY to arrive at the best answer, knowing damn well we still might have to TRY AGAIN if and when we fail.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid_(nutrition)#Origi... [2] http://www.jbc.org/content/86/2/587.full.pdf+html

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Re:We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly by rexpop on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:18PM (#18544261)

> there is no universal human right to emigrate to any country

You've really mischaracterized the situation. Check out "No Wall They Can Build" for a closer look, and maybe "An Indigenous People's History of the US" for an explanation of the sentiment that "we didn't cross the border; the border crossed us."

It's not ambiguous, to those of us holding the facts, that the US' encroachment onto Latin American life is a violation of human sovereignty, and dignity—if not explicitly the peculiarly circumscribed "legal rights to emigrate."

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Re:We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly by chrisco255 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:42PM (#18544555)

No, it's actually racist to give latin americans preference over the millions of asians, europeans, and africans that also want to move here.

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