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Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by hoorayimhelping on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @08:49AM (#18542219)
>Removing the headphone-jack is akin to removing a fire-alarm system

Am I missing something? There's still a headphone port on phones, it's just not dedicated. People can still plug headphones in to their phones right? I'm asking because the tone of these comments makes it seem like new phones have removed the ability to listen to music without bluetooth.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by tjoff on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:08PM (#18545569)
You are missing the fact that lugging an adapter is not a realistic option. I lived the dongle life for almost two years. By the end the darn thing had started glitching on me and you could not buy replacements. I'm lucky it didn't damage the charging port...

Not that it matters, I still didn't have it with me half of the times it turned out I needed it.

I actually considered buying like 10 of them. Now we are talking about 100 USD of the crap and a MASSIVE and daily inconvenience just because the manufacturer decided to save a couple of cents. This shit is just ridiculous.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rikkus on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @12:49PM (#18553733)
I bought one and put it on the end of a headphone cable and left it there. I’m not sure what the massive inconvenience is here.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by tjoff on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @01:41PM (#18554302)
That works but that is just one very very narrow use case. There are tons of situations when that won't help you.

And that's even if you only use one pair of headphones.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rikkus on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @06:09PM (#18556558)
I have AirPods for meetings and music while walking, the normal Apple buds - now just backup in case I leave my AirPods behind, some Sony closed back monsters for shutting out noise while working in cafes and some nice open back Grados for music listening at home.

I hardly use the Sonys but if I do, I will just borrow the adaptor from my Apple buds in my laptop bag. For listening to my Grados I use an amp with a headphone socket.

If I wanted to plug them into my phone I would need the Apple lightning adapter and also one to the smaller headphone jack! This doesn’t bother me. If I want to do that, I’ll just do it.

I’ll even spend another £9 on an adapter to leave connected if I do it often enough.

None of this seems terrible to me and I’m not sure how unique this set of circumstances is. What are the tons of situations where this gets tricky?

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by tjoff on Thursday November 29, 2018 @03:51AM (#18558923)
1. Lugging your adapter just isn't an option. Stop. This should be enough reason. Seriously. Don't try to justify it in hindsight.

2. Since I had to constantly borrow my adapter from my regular headphones it happened that I forgot them connected to another headphones. So I often had my headphones with me but missing the adapter. Wasn't frustrating, promise.

3. I don't know when I'm gonna need it. I made a long trip by train and thought that some nice bluetooth noise cancelling phones would be nice. Well, at my destination we took a drive and I was asked to play some music. Ooops, no adapter.

4. At work my bluetooth headphones lost battery, no worries, you can still drive them with a headphone jack. Ooops, no adapter.

5. I dance, one day when arriving to practice the people responsible for it were running late. No worries, just connect your phone! Ooops, no adapter.

6. If your going social gathering with friends to a cottage you might not think to bring your headphones. But while there some music would be kind of nice. Ooops, no adapter.

Situations like that happens all the time, and it's nothing one thinks about because it's just a given that everything works. Well, was... So now I actually did bring my adapter even in cases when I didn't need my headphones. Which was another source of (2).

The above inconveniences all assume that it works as expected when you do have your adapter. But it doesn't. You can not charge and listen to music at the same time and while I love USB-C to bits it is way too clunky to be used while in your pocket. The connector did actually start to show signs of wear from having the adapter connected while walking. Luckily I had no issues charging my device but I actually don't know if data still worked.

Think about it, that alone is also completely unacceptable.

And that's all assuming that it would be kind of okay to even have an adapter at the end of your cord, even that just isn't.

See (1).

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by neuralRiot on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @07:41PM (#18557165)
Get into a friends car which only have aux input, try to connect to an older receiver, tv, boombox or computer speakers. I do this almost daily, so i have to loose several posibilities for the added convenience of what exactly?
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by fidrelity on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @08:57AM (#18542267)
There are more and more phones produced without a headphone jack: https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/news/always-updated-list...
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by yoz-y on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @09:03AM (#18542306)
Parent was probably referring to the fact that phones still have usb-c/lightning ports and you can plug usb-c/lightning headphones to them just fine. The port is not dedicated but as long as you are not charging it works identically to the old headphone jack.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by SAI_Peregrinus on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:19PM (#18544274)
Of course since most of the issues seem to come from things like interaction with cars, and GPS tends to quickly drain battery thus strongly encouraging using a charger, and therefore lack of a headphone jack makes getting audio in the car much more difficult... well, that "as long as you are not charging" is a pretty big negative. And that's ignoring all the various issues Bluetooth has, like some apps (eg Waze) utterly failing to output sound over Bluetooth most of the time.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rootusrootus on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @05:52PM (#18547626)
Is it really common to use headphones in the car, though? The last few cars I've owned, I plugged my phone into the radio with USB and it both charged the phone and played music as well.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by brokenmachine on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @11:56PM (#18549380)
Lots of cars don't support transfer of audio via USB but do have an AUX socket.

I think OP was talking about people plugging between the headphone socket of their phone and the AUX input of the car stereo - not wearing headphones in the car.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by _Tev on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @08:16PM (#18548452)
It is _very_ common to charge the phone and listen to the music at the same time. Maybe only for me ... But I won't ever buy these 1-port-for-everything devices.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by cm2187 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @04:48AM (#18550368)
Then you have to chose between charging your phone or tablet on a plane on a long trip vs using it...
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by virmundi on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @08:55AM (#18542253)
The iPhone allows the ability to use old headphones if you use an adapter. So you have to remember to carry that with you. You then have to buy another adapter to charge the phone at the same time as using the headphones. Say you want to use YouTube, but not pay for Red, Unlimited, or whatever they call it now. You have to leave the screen on, which means eating the battery. Two dongles or you run the risk of running your phone down.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ModernMech on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @09:03AM (#18542305)
Can I just say how insane it is Youtube charges you for the privilege of turning off your screen? I remember the original iPad did this for free. How is this the world we made for ourselves?
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:17PM (#18544246)
Welcome to the new mobile computing world. The only features you can have are those explicitly allowed by the software vendor.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by JetSpiegel on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:11PM (#18546803)
Works on NewPipe...