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Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by S_A_P on Monday November 26, 2018 @10:43PM (#18539153)
I am happy to discuss with anyone who downvotes as to why they disagree with me. My comment may be tangental but is completely relevant to the discussion and reinforces points made in the article.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ddingus on Monday November 26, 2018 @11:11PM (#18539277)
I agree completely. Digital video had advantages. Despite those, analog still makes some sense, if nothing but fewer resources being needed.

Outside some niche uses, digital video really does make general sense. I hear and often agree with analog arguments. I keep analog gear, and in my own hardware projects will stay analog, perhaps also having digital, depending.

But, overall? People largely benefit more from digital video, and with the loss of the CRT, adoption makes sense. Digital only gear makes sense. I have no concerns and can easily use an analog adapter in a pinch.

With audio, it is inverted! A few niche uses benefit, most do not. They are equal or very modest gain at best.

Video gear seems to age out more quickly too. Increases in resolution drive all that, and analog limits do too. Above HDTV 1920x1080, analog has real issues.

Analog audio does not have those dynamics. There is no analog cliff to drive digital gear. Great stuff from the 70's remains entirely relevant. It always will. Ears are just not like eyes.

I will never, ever buy something that only delivers audio digitally.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by S_A_P on Monday November 26, 2018 @11:13PM (#18539292)
I think you are onto something here. DRM is probably a driver here. if you have an analog signal, you can "pirate"...
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ddingus on Monday November 26, 2018 @11:24PM (#18539346)
Sadly, that will remain true digitally too. It is just not hard to tap the signal.

I think you are right about the DRM.

It will prove to be a waste of time. Audio is too easy. Seriously.

Heck, I can make something to just write the stream to a file, and doing that is not hard. Costs less than a CD.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rusk on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:51AM (#18540680)
> Heck, I can make something to just write the stream to a file

Not so easy if the analog signal only emerges at the earpiece ...

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by lloeki on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @07:32AM (#18541778)
Hint: what is the transducer itself driven by?

This analog hole is a ridiculously easy hack job with a soldering iron.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rusk on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @08:09AM (#18541998)
Oh true - I didn't think you planned to go to such lengths (-:

"Ridiculously Easy"? - I wouldn't go that far, but very much within the realms of possibility for a determined attacker I'd say.

But down the line .. as actual physical countermeasures become more sophisticated maybe not so.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ddingus on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:37PM (#18544493)
Worst case? Couple the device and a great mic in clay.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rusk on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:26PM (#18545076)
sounds like a DRM sales pitch
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ddingus on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:00PM (#18545475)
Well they can go right ahead. It won't really matter to me. If they end up better than me, I just don't buy that stuff. Don't need it it's a big world out there.

That's pretty much a policy. If I pay for it, fine. But I have it in generally useful form. No lock-in. Or I don't buy it.

And I don't mind hacking to get it in general useful form. Easy peasy.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ddingus on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:00PM (#18544049)
Are you kidding? Go and get that signal. Even if they pot the thing, it would take a day.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rusk on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:24PM (#18545053)
You have a different definition of easy from most people I know.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ddingus on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:58PM (#18546095)
Grew up poor. "Easy" as well as, "do what it takes" do have very different meanings.

To me, a bit of work, perhaps gain a new skill?

Not only easy, but fun, cheap, all that.

What is hard is having to spend or do work just because of a business model. I really dislike all of that. It is visceral.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rusk on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:31PM (#18546379)
With you 100%
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by labster on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:34AM (#18539700)
Good luck removing the analog signal from sound.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by majewsky on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @05:35AM (#18541167)
Announcing the Apple-Neuralink partnership! /s
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ddingus on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:07PM (#18544851)
Someone is going to make that happen.

Then the fiction we all read about illegal implants will be reality.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by bjoli on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:05AM (#18539856)
Try the same kind of comment in the apple support forums and you'll see what kind of mentality die hard apple fans have. The amount of "your opinions are wrong because apple is perfect" is staggering.

I went online to get some help with what was revealed to be the infamous touch-ic issues, and I was told off in so many ways ("that's an old model, you should really get the new one", "if you get flexion based damage, you are using your phone wrong", "wow, another bend-gater. Stop bending your damn phone!").

This was after internal apple documents showed that they were aware of flexion damage before the phone was released to market.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ggg9990 on Monday November 26, 2018 @11:42PM (#18539439)
Unsolicited tip: cultivate some misanthropy so that you can relish downvotes.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by dclowd9901 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:21AM (#18539948)
That deliciousness of righteousness against hatred.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:14AM (#18539924)
There's a few people on HN who seem to have a weirdly emotional affection for the iPhone's lack-of-headphone-jack. One guy argued that it was all worth it because it reduces dust infiltration, another because it makes it more water-resistant. (Yeah.)

I can see why someone who's never used wired earbuds wouldn't care one way or another, but I really don't understand this sort of attachment.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by arvinsim on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:56AM (#18540121)
It's as if the presence of the headphone jack offends them. Like, what significant negative does having a headphone jack have?
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by elp on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:59AM (#18540396)
A more cynical person than me would suggest that its almost like some of them are being paid.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by rusk on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:17AM (#18540804)
Careful now - that's the kind of sentiment that gets you flagged!
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by Izkata on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:02AM (#18540410)
> another because it makes it more water-resistant.

This, at least, doesn't hold at all. My last flip-phone [0] was water-resistant and still had a headphone jack - it just had a rubber cover you had to pull up to reveal it. The charging port was also protected by the same cover.

[0] https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-rugby-sgh-a837-review/

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ggg9990 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:40AM (#18540622)
I like my headphone jack but I’d rather have none than one of those janky condoms.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by SSLy on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @05:07AM (#18541022)
My Samsung Galaxy S9 has a IP68 rating (it's water-resistant) and has a mini jack port.