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Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by coldtea on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:07PM (#18529039)
>>In the case of jaywalking, the answer is simple. You just make it legal. Cars can slow down. > Mmmm I dunno about that. Drivers have minimum reaction times and cars have stopping distances

Actually in many countries like the Netherlands and the UK, inside the city pedestrians have priority (right of way) over traffic everywhere. If a pedestrian crosses you stop, no jaywalking BS.

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by jacquesm on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:19PM (#18529112)
That's dangerously wrong. No, pedestrians do not have right of way over traffic everywhere inside cities in NL (though you could be forgiven to think it is that way by observing traffic).

Pedestrians do have right of way inside 'woonerven'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woonerf

Now, the fact that pedestrians do not have right of way does not mean cars are going to flatten people with impunity, of course every driver will do what they can to avoid an accident with a pedestrian. But if you step out in traffic on a busy Amsterdam street there most certainly will be an accident, even if everybody will do their best to avoid you, and you will be liable in that case, even if you're part of the mess.

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by coldtea on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:25PM (#18529152)
Probably "right to cross" would be a better term. What I'm getting at is pedestrians can cross the road in cities, without it considered jaywalking/illegal, and cars will generally just stop for them if they see them wanting to cross.

Of course if you just jump into traffic in the last minute you'll be hit, and it will be on you.

https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2017/09/05/when-there-is-...

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by jacquesm on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:28PM (#18529167)
You can cross if you are not within 30 meters of a zebra crossing. Crossing on a red traffic light is still considered jaywalking.
Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by wgerard on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:13PM (#18529077)
Wait, is it just inside the major cities? Not everywhere?
Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by coldtea on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:19PM (#18529115)
All cities, major AND minor (and villages).

You wouldn't except this to happen to the equivalent of the New Jersey Turnpike, of course. So, on high speed highways, on the other hand, you're often not allowed to randomly cross, except in specific areas.

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by wgerard on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:27PM (#18529162)
Interesting. Thanks for the response!
Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by coldtea on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:37PM (#18529215)
Note that this is not the case everyone in Europe necessarily. But you can cross outside zebra crossing in the UK, Netherlands, Greece, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway.

In some countries like Italy or France it is legal as long as there's no explicit zebra crossing nearby (e.g. without 50 or 100 meters).

In most of the countries, crossing the equivalent of highways or interstates is illegal (except in designated overpasses and such).

Regarding the question about what happens to drivers, here's an example for what's the case in Belgium "any physical damage to a pedestrian caused by a traffic accident shall be compensated by the insurance of the drivers involved, regardless of the responsibility of the pedestrian, except if that pedestrian is over 14 and wanted the accident and its consequences to occur."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking