Re:For Decades, Southern States Saw Thanksgiving as an Act o...
by bobwaycott on Saturday November 24, 2018 @08:44PM
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Friendly historian nitpick: you mean to be discussing secession, seceding, and that the South seceded, not succession or succeeding. Had the South succeeded, we’d be having a wholly different conversation about the Civil War.
Re:For Decades, Southern States Saw Thanksgiving as an Act o...
by paulddraper on Saturday November 24, 2018 @08:26PM
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> They had no way to outlaw slavery without an amendment.
Not true. States could outlaw slavery. Regardless, neither state laws nor federal constitutional amendment happened.
> But the South read the writing on the wall, it was going to be outlawed sooner or later
Not only slavery, but agriculture-hostile tariffs, state sovereignty, Southern political representation in general.
Given the events following the Civil War, it does seem they were on target.
> My white Vicksburg classmates called me a yankee...As long as I had that standard midwestern accent
Okay...I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take from this. I'm talking about biases in education according to Civil War geography.
If you believe in rule of law, this makes complete sense. They had no way to outlaw slavery without an amendment.
> My point is there's obviously things going on here other than just a war to end slavery, and it's important not to downplay that either.
It is true that the USA would have held onto slavery a little longer without succession. But the South read the writing on the wall, it was going to be outlawed sooner or later, so they decided to rebel.
The South wouldn't have succeeded if slavery wasn't in danger of going away, the Union wouldn't have fought the South if the South hadn't succeeded. But yes, slavery was the cause of all of this, even if indirect.
> FWIW, I'd call Seattle "the West".
My white Vicksburg classmates called me a yankee even though I was born out west, it didn't matter if Washington wasn't even a state at the time. As long as I had that standard midwestern accent (the one that the west and midwest basically have), the west not being the north wasn't relevant. (Ironically enough, my friends from Boston were even more racist than my southern white friends, but that is a story for another time)