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Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by Dylan16807 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @02:20AM (#18520913)
A tax is only opposite a free market to the extent that it distorts the market. The more direct and simple the tax, the freer the market. And when the tax is directly addressing externalities that are normally not paid, it makes the market less distorted.
Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by zorga on Saturday November 24, 2018 @02:41AM (#18520960)
> And when the tax is directly addressing externalities that are normally not paid, it makes the market less distorted.

Agree, but that doesn't make the tax a free market solution. A free market solution would be a solution from the market, not a government imposed tax.

Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by CuriousSkeptic on Saturday November 24, 2018 @05:13AM (#18521345)
Totally off topic. But I’m curious. With your line of thinking I guess all gonverment imposed rules are anti free market.

So if we remove those completely, take away rule of law, abolish property rights and all of that.

Would there then exist a market to speak of at all? Would it be “free”?

Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by zorga on Sunday November 25, 2018 @09:46PM (#18530649)
Markets exist with or without government, governments make markets more stable and handle cases of market failures, and markets do fail. But under no case is government intervention a free market solution. Lack of government does not abolish rules or property rights, it just changes how those things are enforced as it leaves everyone to defend their own property and it leaves enforcement of rules to private security forces.

I'm not claiming government intervention isn't good; I'm simply arguing you can't call it a free market solution, because it isn't. Taxes are not free market solutions.

Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by CuriousSkeptic on Friday December 07, 2018 @02:35PM (#18630799)
What would be the process for establishing rules?
Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by acct1771 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @10:10AM (#18522312)
Briefly.
Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by millstone on Saturday November 24, 2018 @03:17AM (#18521044)
A carbon tax is the most market-friendly approach on the table, so is de facto the free market solution, short of "do nothing."
Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by zorga on Sunday November 25, 2018 @09:50PM (#18530662)
No. While it may be the most market friendly approach, it's not a free market approach. There is not de facto free market solution, it's entirely possible the free market has no solution; that does not make the best available solution a market solution.
Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by mrob on Saturday November 24, 2018 @03:57AM (#18521164)
How will you lower the transaction costs enough that it's practical for polluters to pay compensation directly to all >7 billion victims?
Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by icebraining on Saturday November 24, 2018 @06:56AM (#18521621)
One can agree that the tax should be implemented without agreeing with its categorization as a free market solution.
Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by Dylan16807 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @06:57PM (#18524586)
"Solution that maximally utilizes the free market to sort out the details and implementation", perhaps?

Then we can avoid disagreement over the definition of "free market solution"

Re:Palm Oil Was Supposed to Help Save the Planet by zorga on Sunday November 25, 2018 @09:51PM (#18530676)
Finally, someone who actually understands the conversation being had. Absolutely correct; carbon taxes might be the best solution available, but they are not a free market solution.

You seem to be the only one in this thread with the clarity of thought to see the obvious.