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Re:Slow Software by voltagex_ on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @07:31PM (#18507155)
I keep coming back to thinking that it's the gap between dev and "mainstream" hardware.

Forget about phones for the moment (lol, Javascript performance on a $99 Android).

My PC is a 6-core, 32GB of RAM beast. I suspect that most (non-PC gamers) people's machines look closer to https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/acer-aspir....

Dual core, 8GB of RAM, spinning hard drive (!)

I can tell you from experience that Windows 10 isn't a fun experience on anything other than a fast SSD.

Re:Slow Software by flukus on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @11:15PM (#18507825)
The machine you posted is pretty typical of PC gamers according to the steam user survey (https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=combined). 8GB+ of RAM only got to 50% of users a couple of years ago. I suspect most non-pc gamers machines to be even worse, the firefox survey has 30% of people still on 4GB: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware .

> I can tell you from experience that Windows 10 isn't a fun experience on anything other than a fast SSD.

Agreed, I think MS are dogfooding exclusively on surface books.

Re:Slow Software by imtringued on Thursday November 22, 2018 @07:59AM (#18509721)
>The machine you posted is pretty typical of PC gamers according to the steam user survey

The linked laptop still has an ancient 1366 x 768 screen which is only 12.62% of all players that have taken the survey.

Re:Slow Software by xtracto on Thursday November 22, 2018 @12:50PM (#18511355)
Something similar happened to a designer I was working with: The guy had his Apple Retina display Super-duper whatever, which he used to design.

At some point, he went to a developer screen to see how his designs were looking once implemented in code, and his first comment was "Why are the colors looking so bad?" ... Well, apparently the colors he chose looked great on his retina display but did not look that good on the average hardware.

After that day, we had to give him a second "normal" monitor so that he tested his designs for the layman user.

Re:Slow Software by WrtCdEvrydy on Thursday November 22, 2018 @03:13PM (#18512230)
You know what's really funny, we had this exact same issue with developers.

Yeah, your UI runs fast against a local copy of that API with a local ElasticSearch instance backing it with 0% load on a $3000 Macbook, now test that bitch on a $100 dollar Android running on 2G against AWS.

Re:Slow Software by LolNoGenerics on Thursday November 22, 2018 @06:08AM (#18509272)
Windows certainly doesn't a good job to run well on lower end systems. It got fast and reliable if you hit a baseline. Still they're hardly a competition for linux if you don't care about gaming.

Hardware retailers are just grabbing cash from average users. You cannot proof how well a system is performing so you just make up numbers and fancy words. Product series merely exists to nudge prices, they guy who buys the cheapest stuff is the biggest looser.

Cosumers would be served better if they used linux on their cheap systems. You only need a browser anyway. I used an early asus Eee PC netbook for some time with ubuntu. Yes it wasn't really snappy but it was on par with what my parents used to use. But more reliable in log term and 3 times cheaper.

But like linus said, linux won't take over the desktop market unless it is widely sold with machines out of the box.

Re:Slow Software by tyingq on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @08:31PM (#18507369)
The cheap androids aren't so shabby these days. A Moto G5 play is a quad core 1.4GHz with 2GB of ram. No speed demon, but is reasonable. $109.99 on Amazon, unlocked.
Re:Slow Software by mbell on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @09:30PM (#18507535)
Javascript/web performance on Android is universally bad but truly awful on the low end. A Moto G5 pulls ~14 on speedometer 2.0 which puts it in line with an iPhone 5/5s (5-6 year old devices). An iPhone XS scores around 123 in this benchmark for comparison, ~9 times faster.
Re:Slow Software by akvadrako on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @11:07PM (#18507801)
I concur, having just purchased a Nokia 5 (for €105) and being surprised it felt so much slower than my iPhone SE. I guess it's a sign that speed/$ is flattening out. The good part about it is devices will stay competitive longer.
Re:Slow Software by nicoburns on Thursday November 22, 2018 @03:02PM (#18512176)
> I can tell you from experience that Windows 10 isn't a fun experience on anything other than a fast SSD.

Indeed, I've spent £40 on upgrading a whole load of friends' laptops to SSDs (fast SSDs are pretty cheap these days!), and the difference is night and day on windows 10.

Re:Slow Software by jacob019 on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @10:38PM (#18507707)
If I want something to run fast I do all of the testing on ancient hardware or artificially constrained VMs.
Re:Slow Software by HumanDrivenDev on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @10:00PM (#18507620)
I'm on 4gb ram with a spinning hard drive and I develop on it. I'd like something a bit faster but it's not a huge deal to use visual studio code, webpack etc.