Bringing the Android kernel back to the mainline

Re:Bringing the Android kernel back to the mainline by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @07:24PM (#18499159)

> Here's an awful lot of snark about iOS slowing down with each successive version, but I'm not at all convinced it's universally true. (Again, anecdotally, I'd say iOS 7 and 9–11 were guilty of that.)

It's not universally true. It's mostly true, with a couple of outliers (namely iOS 9 and iOS 11). Most of time, major iOS upgrades slow down older hardware.

I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with this, if not for the fact that iOS downgrades are literally impossible (outside a small window of time). Install an update and discover your phone is too slow? Either learn to live with it or buy a new phone.

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Re:Bringing the Android kernel back to the mainline by Mononokay on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @08:13PM (#18499417)

> I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with this, if not for the fact that iOS downgrades are literally impossible (outside a small window of time). Install an update and discover your phone is too slow? Either learn to live with it or buy a new phone.

Or you could just restore from a backup, possible at any time.

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Re:Bringing the Android kernel back to the mainline by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @08:17PM (#18499438)

Nope, you can't restore to an iOS version that isn't being actively signed by Apple's servers. Restoring a backup just puts back user data, it doesn't change your iOS version.

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Re:Bringing the Android kernel back to the mainline by Mononokay on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @10:46PM (#18500017)

That's a complete lie, but okay.

https://medium.com/metodixtech/ios-how-to-downgrade-and-save...

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Re:Bringing the Android kernel back to the mainline by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @11:05PM (#18500086)

In the first sentence of the article you linked:

> You can downgrade (If you don’t have Shsh blobs saved) only until Apple is still signing the old software.

Saving SHSH blobs needs to be done in advance, while the iOS version you want to install is still being signed by Apple. With blobs, you used to be able to use a replay attack to force a restore. This doesn't work anymore due to the addition of NONCE, except in very limited and not particularly useful circumstances (you can move to an unsigned iOS version IF you're already Jailbroken AND if SEP is compatible).

If you know a way around this system, please do share. The Jailbreak community will love you for it. :)

Apple does everything in their power to make downgrading iOS impossible outside of a narrow window. I suspect this is also why we haven't seen any actual, definitive speed tests between different iOS versions. The discussion always devolves into "this feels slower" or "I remember my phone used to be like this," because no one can actually install an older version to test with.

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Re:Bringing the Android kernel back to the mainline by chipotle_coyote on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:52PM (#18504540)

I'm fairly sure I have seen speed tests between iOS 11 and 12 with actual numbers involved. Someone who has a single phone and upgrades it can't do it, no, but someone who runs, say, a testing lab, or iFixit, or any other place where it's possible to have two different iPhones of the same model running two different versions of iOS can do it pretty easily. Googling "ios 11 vs ios 12 speed" shows a plethora of links from people doing exactly that. I found the same for "ios 11 vs ios 10 speed"; I didn't keep repeating the experiment past that. :)

As to your original point, though -- yes. I'd certainly prefer it if Apple didn't make downgrading so difficult, even if it's just on general principle. I've rarely been tempted to downgrade, but iOS 11 could be pretty clunky on my iPhone 6 compared to its predecessor. (I think 11.4 finally smoothed all that out, but that came out literally a week before iOS 12 was announced!)

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