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Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by rbanffy on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @09:27AM (#18493992)
That, and trounce the rack in uptime by a couple orders of magnitude.

Single-thread performance is also pretty high, so it'd only lose in the aggregate CPU benchmarks.

Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by segmondy on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @11:35AM (#18495138)
"trounce uptime by a couple of orders of magnitude"?

Not true. If you view the network as the computer, then the network is now forever winning.

What is Google's or Facebooks uptime? Their computer is their cluster. Those clusters are never going to be powered off ever. They can upgrade and replace the entire cluster without being down. If you have a cluster of 10,000 nodes, turning off 100 or 1000 is not downtime, so longer as it's up and serving. No mainframe ever will run for the next 100 years. It's a possibility that a cluster built today could be running for the next 100yrs.

Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by Nokinside on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @12:56PM (#18495901)
> What is Google's or Facebooks uptime?

99.9 percent. Cloud services from Microsoft, Google, Amazon typically have only three nines or less for paying customers. They also seem to have same level of uptime in their own services.

But these are not "firm guarantees". For example Amazon just gives service credits after downtime exceeds what is promised. They "undergo unscheduled outages" from time to time. Whole regions are down at once.

Remember Amazon's Prime Day outages? It's not good for business when tings go down.

Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by tyingq on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @11:47AM (#18495237)
For workloads where eventually consistent is okay.

It's harder to get mainframe like uptimes for OLTP simultaneously with mainframe like IOPS.

Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by wbl on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @12:04PM (#18495399)
Banking uses eventual consistency all over the place. Unsurprising given they started with letters going by ship and courier.
Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by segmondy on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @12:27PM (#18495599)
Exactly, I think that folks forget that ATMs operate like that, if the network is down ATM doesn't stop working. That's why folk's account can go below $0. Banks have been operating distributed systems with eventual consistency for a very long time.
Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by myrandomcomment on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @05:10PM (#18498313)
Three 9s vs Five 9s. The mainframe wins here. Heck I remember moving a system for a bank that had been up for 23 years.
Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by neverartful on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @03:55PM (#18497618)
the scope of the comparison was to a single rack, not all of Google or Facebook.
Re:IBM z14 Microprocessor and System Control Design by rbanffy on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @05:44PM (#18498544)
And even then, what is their non-degraded uptime? There are parts of their infrastructure failing all the time being routed around by incredibly clever software.

And I bet all that costs much more than an IBM. Not a computer, the company.