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Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by robocat on Monday November 19, 2018 @08:57PM (#18491337)
I recommend to my non-IT friends and family that they should use gmail and chrome because they use Windows and Google's security is fantastic. Sure there is a compromise. Google are using private information for advertising but (1) Google doesn't have a history of sharing PII with third parties and (2) Google are very good at keeping information and passwords secure. Many of my non-tech friends and family use Android phones so they need a gmail account (convenience), and they use Facebook (so their privacy is already compromised to third parties). I strongly recommend against IE and Edge because they are buggy and IE/Edge had 9 critical security flaws in October (implies lots and lots of zero days in the long tail still remain). Firefox is OK but it just isn't as fast, reliable, usable, or secure as Chrome IMHO.

I personally use Chrome because it is secure and fast (and the debugger works far better than Firefox's, Safari's or Edge's). I personally don't use Apple because I don't want to spend x% of my disposable income on iDevices per year, when I can spend 0.x% on Android devices per year. I distrust Microsoft (their security is suspect and their implementations suck: I use outlook for work and the UI is super buggy - I notice unique flaws regularly and have to live with some bugs every day. Like email notifications stopped working the other day - just unbelievable shit). I would love to not use Google, but for the compromises I need to make, it remains the best choice by far for me. Edit: fixed # flaws.

Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by nwallin on Monday November 19, 2018 @09:46PM (#18491484)
Have you given Firefox another shot during the past year? I agree that it used to be terrible, (as in bloated and buggy and slow) but the work they've been doing with servo and quantum has really, really paid off. It really is a whole new experience.

I don't do webdev, so I can't really comment about that. I agree wrt edge being terrible and not being willing to pay Apple prices.

Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by askmike on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @12:44AM (#18492023)
I do some webdev (work with APIs & frontend stuff like react, vue). The firefox debugger is different. After an adjustment period I got used to them just fine and actually prefer some parts (like the network tab).
Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by misterhtmlcss on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @12:00AM (#18491895)
So I'm a Firefox user. Went back for reasons everyone here already knows; lots of privacy issues. I use a VPN too.

Anyway I switched to Firefox on my computers and mobile system. I use that VPN to try limit Google's tracking of me and I use duckduckgo for the same reason.

Long story short I just switched back to chrome on my Android, because Firefox has kinda stopped working. I used to be able to keep 100 tabs open, not I can't even keep 1 open in the background. When I go back it just forgets what it was and won't refresh. I click refresh and it shows it's refreshing, but then nothing happens.

Nothing I can do. I'm reading some or I see a great article and I open it right away in a FF tab for later. I go back it doesn't load. Then I can't reset/restart it, because it won't die and then it stops syncing, etc.

It's really really bad. Sadly this wasn't the case when I decided to switch about 8 months back, this is only in the last 60 days.

I'll keep using Firefox for now on my desktop, but honestly I really rely on profiles and sync across profiles, which is a pain to get around on FF as it is, but now it's a big burden I can't really see my way around.

Too bad, but honestly I need a reliable tool more than I need privacy at this stage.

Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by everybodyknows on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @12:17PM (#18495512)
I was seeing similar symptoms. Fixed by setting cookies and all other state except bookmarks, one or two others, to clear upon browser exit.
Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by tlow on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @12:25AM (#18491967)
Interesting extreme user, would be interested to learn more about how you compute.
Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by misterhtmlcss on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @10:30AM (#18494499)
Happy to connect anytime and share. I'm on most platforms with this handle.
Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by pcr0 on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @12:53AM (#18492049)
I've used Firefox 55-62 and I switched back to Chrome recently. Quantum was a great improvement, but it is still too buggy for me and it's gone downhill somewhere in the past few months

* Uses 30-40% CPU constantly on my Ubuntu laptop, causing the entire system to freeze.

* Slow on JS-heavy apps like JIRA, Gmail, Google docs.

* Firefox Android randomly decides to stop loading web pages, requiring a force quit and restart.

* Firefox Android bugged out while writing this comment, the text I typed would appear at a specific location, regardless of where I put the cursor. This and various other HTML input bugs require me to restart the browser again and again.

Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by badrabbit on Monday November 19, 2018 @09:31PM (#18491445)
Heh,google's entire business model is sharing your data with third parties. Is it better because they filter out some details?

Also,Chrome might be more secure from a vulnerability point of view but browser exploits(exploit kits) are not a very common means of deploying malware these days. They tend to focus on IE and flash these days: https://blog.malwarebytes.com/threat-analysis/2018/03/exploi...

Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by tokyodude on Monday November 19, 2018 @09:48PM (#18491493)
Can you point to some links on Google sharing data with third parties? AFAIK they don't share any data. You want to target a certain demographic they will target for you but they won't pass on the data. They keep the data internal.

If you install some 3rd party app and give that app permission to access your data they'll give that app the access you requested them to give but otherwise no sharing AFAIK.

Re:Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome by badrabbit on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @10:45PM (#18507731)
If I target users based on a specific criteria and I know they came from google then that information about them is passed. Raw data isn't much use anyways,that's why google and fb aren't afraid to share with users what they collect. The analysis and targrting donewith that data is what users should be concerned about.