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Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by chiefalchemist on Friday November 16, 2018 @06:20PM (#18472763)
Frankly, if I were going to consider upsetting the balance of power, I would __not__ go directly for the jugular. I'd beat around the bush. I'd start random socio-political fires in more venerable countries / economies. Let that simmer. Then step up for the big fight, knowing the giant has spread itself thin trying to take care of the smaller / random fires.
Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by foobarian on Friday November 16, 2018 @07:21PM (#18473043)
The CIA sabotage handbook details pretty much this.[1]

[q] https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/...

Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by stuffedBelly on Friday November 16, 2018 @06:25PM (#18472800)
This reminds me of a defcon talk by Chris Rock about how to overthrow a government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1lhGqNCZlA

Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by SwellJoe on Friday November 16, 2018 @06:30PM (#18472826)
Kinda like what's been happening for a few years now.
Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by chiefalchemist on Friday November 16, 2018 @09:17PM (#18473525)
Agreed. UBL said he wanted to destroy the USA. He never said how. The fact that more and more money is spent as a reaction to fear; the divisiveness; the hyperbole; etc.

Seems to me we're doing ourselves in. It just took a nudge to get that self-destruction rolling.

Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by drb91 on Friday November 16, 2018 @11:17PM (#18473918)
There is a symbiotic relation between “terrorists” and the politicians that use this fear to get elected.
Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by beefield on Saturday November 17, 2018 @02:32AM (#18474459)
I have this hypothesis - which admittably is very weak on evidence and very weak on political correctness - that it is kind of a self-enforcing process.

First, people with less cognitive capabilities seem to be inclined into conservatism and prejudice.[1]

Now, how do you make people's cognitive capabilities less?

You make people poor.[2]

Second, you can make people conservative by making them scared [3]

So you being a conservative politician and wanting to get more votes, you make people poor and scared and you get more votes. And the problem is, it is much easier to make people poor and scared than wealthy and feeling safe.

[1] https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conser...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poverty-brain/study-finds...

[3] https://mic.com/articles/26911/people-who-are-fearful-tend-t...

Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by Theodores on Saturday November 17, 2018 @05:38AM (#18474911)
Reminds me of Naomi Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' book that went into how this worked during the glory days of The War Against Terror.

There are additional levers to be used, mass surveillance makes people not want to talk lest they reveal themselves to be not 100% aligned with the edicts of the regime. Plus if people aren't talking then they aren't discussing ideas, discussion is needed as without it people can end up believing very strange ideas told to them by the mass media or the conspiracy theorists, with both sets of those ideas being oppressive.

Fear is the big one though, even the smartest people succumb to it remarkably easily. It is quite funny to watch in a 'lemmings' type of way. But to watch it in a 'lemmings' type of way then you have to be in on it, a sick individual spreading the fear.

Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by chiefalchemist on Saturday November 17, 2018 @07:11AM (#18475222)
Not only does fear create a subservient mindset, it artificially elevates the need to the gov / politicians. That is, we can't no protect ourselves from these unseen forces, so some entity - spending as much as our money as possible - has to do that for us.

Per "Here Comes Everybody" (and similar books) the internet can allow the normally separated to organize and GTD. The __exact__ role the gov has played in the past. But people have to be willing to do that. Unfortunately, escalating fear and decisiveness maintain the power status quo.

Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by chiefalchemist on Saturday November 17, 2018 @07:05AM (#18475187)
Evidence? Afaik the #1 corporate benefactor of the War in Iraq (as well as other recent conflicts) is Halliburton. Is it necessary to point out the relationship between them and the then VP?
Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by chiefalchemist on Saturday November 17, 2018 @07:02AM (#18475177)
But at this point, it's not only politicians. These multi-national conglomerates are nation-state-esque. To think that they don't have their own best interests in mind is naive. They're players in the propaganda game as well. If it's good for business, It's on their radar.
Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by onetimemanytime on Saturday November 17, 2018 @12:44AM (#18474173)
For a person he surely did cause a lot of problems, killings and expenditure. "Martyrs" want to take as many as they can before they go and he surely a lot of damage
Re:Across the West powerful firms are becoming even more pow... by samstave on Friday November 16, 2018 @10:04PM (#18473675)
And this is already happening. Look at israel and stuxnet and look at the chip battles with nsa and china and intel, cisco, huwai.