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Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by infogulch on Friday November 16, 2018 @11:38AM (#18469794)
I think there's a big difference between these two things:

> 1: Using customer data to improve your product, to make them happier paying for it, which makes $$$

> 2: Using customer data to sell to someone else or to sell the user's attention, which makes $$$

The extra level of indirection through a product that you deliver to the user that provides value to them makes a huge difference between these two ethically.

That said, I will admit that a company can move from 1 to 2 completely seamlessly, without the knowledge of the user. A bean counter, unscrupulous wallstreet exec, or changing priorities may take something that was intended to only ever be 1 and turn it into 2. This risk may be too high for you and that's your call to judge, but I find it hard to fault a company just for trying to improve their product.

I do wish more companies took Apple's "differential privacy" approach which allows the data collection technology itself to draw a hard line between 1 and 2 that can't be crossed invisibly.

Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by mbesto on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:36PM (#18471359)
> but I find it hard to fault a company just for trying to improve their product

Nor do I. So the argument thusly is -> why make the opt-in/out so difficult to manage (e.g. dark patterns)?