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Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by bunderbunder on Friday November 16, 2018 @09:41AM (#18469024)
To expand on that last bit -

The reason they might want to just collect all data without asking is that there's a chance that making it opt-in could cause bigger bias problems in the data you collect. For example, what if "power users" are significantly more or less likely to opt-in? You could end up with a very distorted view of what features are most popular, or are giving people the most trouble.

Not saying that this concern is well-founded (I really don't know), or that this choice makes sense from a business perspective (I'm skeptical). Definitely not saying that this is the ethical choice to make (it isn't). Just trying to shed light on a possible thought process.

Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by bunderbunder on Friday November 16, 2018 @09:44AM (#18469046)
It's also worth mentioning that Microsoft is, to the best of my knowledge, relatively scrupulous about keeping their telemetry data anonymous. Meaning that they're still being way less sketchy about this stuff than your average e-tailer, or mass market retailers like Wal-Mart and Target.
Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by olyjohn on Friday November 16, 2018 @07:02PM (#18472967)
Except they are taking things like file names, e-mail headers, recipients, and even in some cases they are taking documents. The recent recommendation from them was as follows:

From - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/16/microsoft_gdpr/

"...[Microsoft] also recommends simply not using the web-only version of Office 365, or SharePoint Oneline. And it recommends periodically deleting the Active Directory accounts of VIP users and creating new accounts for them so that the diagnostic data associated with those accounts is eventually deleted."

Seriously, we should be deleting and recreating accounts in our own fucking domain to keep the data anonymous? Why is that on us?

They have you AD account info, and diagnostic data directly tied to it. There's no anonymization going on here at all. They're gathering it recklessly.

Also from that link:

"Much of what Microsoft collects is diagnostics, the researchers found, and it has seemingly tried to make the system GDPR compliant by storing Office documents on servers based in the EU. But it also collected other data that contained private information and some of that data still ended up on US servers."

Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by r00fus on Friday November 16, 2018 @05:53PM (#18472610)
Do you have a cite for how well they anonymize? Is it as strong a position as Apple (e.g. differential privacy)?
Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by olyjohn on Friday November 16, 2018 @06:54PM (#18472933)
The problem is that a lot of their telemetry and data comes from the Windows Insider program. These are the users who get the releases early to test. I don't know an average person who would want to test new features early, and deal with buggy releases and more frequent updates. And I don't know any power users who would even try to use an insider build for daily production use, since it's going to interfere with day to day work. If I had to guess, the insider builds are put mostly on people's secondary computers, where they will log in and fiddle around, then go back to doing what they really need to on a stable build. Seems like their data is biased from the beginning to me.
Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by kgwxd on Friday November 16, 2018 @09:50AM (#18469086)
Power users are already the only ones opting out. Maybe that's why it has become what it is.
Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by Tsubasachan on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:47PM (#18472233)
Good point, I spent a few hours tweaking win10 exactly to my taste and telemetry was one of the first things to go.
Re:Microsoft’s enterprise products covertly gather personal ... by kgwxd on Monday November 19, 2018 @07:06AM (#18485814)
How much time have you spent making sure what you set hasn't been overridden after an update? Once I realized it was going to be a life-long battle, I swore off all MS products for personal computing.