It is a legitimately confusing bit of partisan allegiance shifting in my estimate. Because Hillary lost and Trump has been acting like an incredibly obvious puppet even by his standards of 'gets along fine with despots while hating and being hated by every other democratically elected ally'. Given the allegations of Hillary Clinton 'joking' about drone striking him assuming a grudge is reasonable.

Really I have the feeling that they have gotten played like a goddamn fiddle by the intelligence agencies - after they faced the right turning against them for believing what their lying eyes were telling them about Trump's blatant Putin connections. So they are trying to save their behind after they were the brunt of rightful left-wing grudges over things like the Iraq intelligence, spying on activists, and spying on everyone pissing off the general public that doesn't drink the red white and blue "we need to destroy our freedoms to save them" koolaid.

I'm personally of a liberal of a 'free market but intervene when it works better and highly value civil rights' view who believes that the sheer dark history of the intelligence agencies makes the moderate option be to purge every last organization and make sure they never work in anything peripherally related again.

Strip away all labels and contexts and you would probably agree that an agency of torturers who trains dictators, overthrows democracies for short term petty economic interests at great suffering, invented depravities like 'rape dogs', and 'rectal feeding', practices torture despite knowing it doesn't work and more means that they deserve far worse.

I've been living in Cambodia for a while earlier this year, and seeing the fucking mess they made of the place there... yeah... I'd believe anything of them

You need to step up your game mister!

Currently, the alt-right does not see him as a Russian agent, because Russia doesn't meddle in elections and stuff. That's just crazy talk propaganda. They are dangerous with some nuclear stuff so we have to build more nukes. But they are good in Syria and we need to either step away completely from that shit-show or give them a hand and fight on their side. It's complicated.

The left-leaning have Assange see him as a tool of right-wing US politics which are 100% bought by Russian oligarchs, or maybe the US politics bought the Russian oligarchs. It's unclear.

Questions?

Whatever you do, do not cross the streams. Gotta keep both (can never have more than 2 sides in a debate! that's we call it bi-partisan! have you heard of tri-partisan?! Is that some kind of cheese?! lol) sides hot and angry. Don't mind the man behind the curtain.

You claim to lay out both sides and then characterise the alt-right case as 'complicated' and therefore full of nuance, but the left-leaning side as 'unclear' and therefore nonsensical?

You're just like Mitch McConnell calling for bipartisanship and fairplay after years of crap. Completely disingenuous.

Wow...

if you can read in any flattering from me on either red or blue, I don't know what to say.

And I'm poking fun of the whole "calling for bipartisanship" for ignoring that there might be more than two parts to any one issue, and then you compare me to (red team) Mitch McConnell!

Handing over the microphone to you, my comedy act can't match this. How's that knee?

haha awesome. Good to hear the other side :)

I'm wondering why the downvotes though? Do we not understand that we inhabit bubbles?

Yeah but people get upset when you point the fact out to them, sometimes.

Bubbles are what OTHER people inhabit, see. We're all special and unique free-thinkers immune to unconscious biases. Or something.

yeah, I'm seeing opportunity here... who wants a Bubble Buddy?... someone from a diagrammatically opposite bubble from you, so you can see how the other half think

I actually do this with friends. It rarely goes well.

do tell... what happens? Arguments? Fisticuffs?

I'm proud, I think I have pissed off two persons arguing in a room!